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Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by r00fus »

consultutah wrote: post #8

I think this is great. California gets to experiment with a single payer system and I, as a Utahan, get to watch and see whether it works or not. Unless it completely fails, then we'll all need to bail Cali out. Can we try this in North Dakota first? ;)

Why would you as a Utahn need to bail out California? You know that CA ran deficits for years?

Be happy - just like MJ legalization, this is true federalism at work - states rights and all.

Of course, as a CA resident, I'd be happy that people here have an option aside from the horrible individual insurance market (which, despite Obamacare, is still very expensive).

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by sjg007 »

df3 wrote: post #5

A well-executed single-payer system would make California even more attractive for entrepreneurship and increase labor mobility for everyone. Life would be much easier if we could start companies or switch jobs without worrying about healthcare.

Would be great. Also would be great if two states could join up and offer single payer together.

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by dragonwriter »

Note that this bill, in its current form, has no substantive effect; it would only "make findings and declarations with regard to the availability and affordability of health care coverage and would state the intent of the Legislature to enact legislation that would establish a comprehensive universal single-payer health care coverage program and a health care cost control system for the benefit of all residents of the state."

The actual legislation establishing single-payer health coverage and a cost control system has not been proposed.

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by foota »

sjg007 wrote: post #22
df3 wrote: post #5

A well-executed single-payer system would make California even more attractive for entrepreneurship and increase labor mobility for everyone. Life would be much easier if we could start companies or switch jobs without worrying about healthcare.

Would be great. Also would be great if two states could join up and offer single payer together.

West coast single payer?

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by dragonwriter »

exabrial wrote: post #2

Who will pay for it?

The taxpayers of the state would be the (trivial) cost this bill would incur (basically, the cost of printing it: it's a statement of intent and nothing more) out of existing taxes.

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by marcell »

I can't get over the cognitive dissonance of these two points:

> (2) Californians, as individuals, employers, and taxpayers have experienced a rise in the cost of health care and health care coverage in recent years

> (4) Individuals often find that they are deprived of affordable care and choice because of decisions by health benefit plans guided by the plan’s economic needs rather than consumers’ health care needs.

So (2) is saying health care costs are rising, which is bad. And (4) is saying insurance companies are making decisions based on price, which is also bad. You can't have it both ways. Either we should keep costs down, in which case some procedures will be denied as they are too expensive, or we pay for every procedure imaginable, causing prices to go up.

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by rch »

sjg007 wrote: post #22
df3 wrote: post #5

A well-executed single-payer system would make California even more attractive for entrepreneurship and increase labor mobility for everyone. Life would be much easier if we could start companies or switch jobs without worrying about healthcare.

Would be great. Also would be great if two states could join up and offer single payer together.

There are people working on that for the interior mountain states.

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by Joof »

consultutah wrote: post #8

I think this is great. California gets to experiment with a single payer system and I, as a Utahan, get to watch and see whether it works or not. Unless it completely fails, then we'll all need to bail Cali out. Can we try this in North Dakota first? ;)

Worked for many other countries. Seems to be quite a bit cheaper for individuals and nations as well. Not sure if it will work on a state level though.

Re: Healthy California Act: proposal to make findings about single-payer healthcare

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Post by wjossey »

I'm excited to see this show up on hacker news.

As a Santa Monica resident, I'd gladly pay more in taxes for universal coverage. The only way that we are going to achieve federal universal coverage is via states paving the way. Just as "Romney care" was a predecessor to the ACA, so can healthy California pave the way for the US to join the rest of the modern world with guaranteed access.

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