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Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by cptskippy »

bisby wrote: post #91
speeder wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, Valve from the start considered SteamOS as "backup", a way to escape Windows if MS pull some shenanigan they don't like. Since MS is mostly "behaving" themselves, Valve is keeping SteamOS around, but not focusing on it. At least for now... (it wouldn't surprise me if MS became more aggressive in their W10+DX12+"Xbox everywhere"+"MS Store" push...)

a ton of major issues have been recently fixed. It doesn't seem to be on the back burner at all, it's just that building/updating an entire OS is a bit different from building/updating just steam. Also, a lot of fixes are edge cases that most people don't view as fixes, because it was never an issue for them. Most of the issue revolves around GPU drivers, which in theory valve is not responsible for, but they have hi…

Another interesting thing is that Windows 10 / Xbox App recognizes and tracks all games on the system regardless of their origin. I opened the Xbox App for the first time the other day to turn off the annoying screen capture prompts it injects and found my "recent activity" which was populated with Steam Games.

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

the-dude wrote: post #42
imglorp wrote: post #35

This could well be a negotiating strategy to rejigger the relationship with Intel. Dell did exactly the same thing a number of times for similar reasons. So all you do is: put out some press releases, ramp up some hires, put out some glossy product roadmaps. Intel starts to get separation anxiety and flinches: well, maybe they can afford to come closer to AMD prices for another year. They kiss up and you back out of…

Ah, just like governments threaten to use Linux to rejigger MS.

Probably depends on where the Linux is being used. When I did DoD contracting there was very much a constant push towards using Linux and OSS where possible but this was mostly in product development, not client operating systems.

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by askvictor »

imglorp wrote: post #35

This could well be a negotiating strategy to rejigger the relationship with Intel. Dell did exactly the same thing a number of times for similar reasons. So all you do is: put out some press releases, ramp up some hires, put out some glossy product roadmaps. Intel starts to get separation anxiety and flinches: well, maybe they can afford to come closer to AMD prices for another year. They kiss up and you back out of…

At some point though, this sends the competition (AMD) out of business, then, no more negotiation of this sort, and also everyone is worse off.

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by askvictor »

imglorp wrote: post #35

This could well be a negotiating strategy to rejigger the relationship with Intel. Dell did exactly the same thing a number of times for similar reasons. So all you do is: put out some press releases, ramp up some hires, put out some glossy product roadmaps. Intel starts to get separation anxiety and flinches: well, maybe they can afford to come closer to AMD prices for another year. They kiss up and you back out of…

At some point though, this sends the competition (AMD) out of business, then, no more negotiation of this sort, and also everyone is worse off.

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by bluedino »

foobiekr wrote: post #112

Has it been long enough for people to forget NT on Alpha, MIPS and x86 (and i860, though not released)? And to forget both PReP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_Reference_Platform ) and CHRP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Hardware_Reference_Plat... ) which were going to break the Intel stranglehold once and for all?

Imagine having a time machine, going back to Microsoft in the 90's and telling them to forget SGI, IBM, and HP, port NT to ARM...

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by andreiw »

imglorp wrote: post #35

This could well be a negotiating strategy to rejigger the relationship with Intel. Dell did exactly the same thing a number of times for similar reasons. So all you do is: put out some press releases, ramp up some hires, put out some glossy product roadmaps. Intel starts to get separation anxiety and flinches: well, maybe they can afford to come closer to AMD prices for another year. They kiss up and you back out of…

No, this is the real deal, apparently. Obviously the work has gone on for years but between OCP and Xeon competitive chips (ThunderX2 and Centriq) it makes sense to put public weight behind it.

The real question is if WSL (Ubuntu for Windows) will be available for AArch64 Windows. Because the only real 64-bit ARM software ecosystem today is Linux (courtesy of Linaro, Redhat, Canonical, Suse, and ARM).

Between WSL and BTing legacy 32-bit x86 apps this could be a decent offering for folks who already have Microsoft infrastructure. Even cooler if Hyper-V is ported.

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by Jabbles »

imglorp wrote: post #35

This could well be a negotiating strategy to rejigger the relationship with Intel. Dell did exactly the same thing a number of times for similar reasons. So all you do is: put out some press releases, ramp up some hires, put out some glossy product roadmaps. Intel starts to get separation anxiety and flinches: well, maybe they can afford to come closer to AMD prices for another year. They kiss up and you back out of…

Perhaps spurred by Google's recent announcement that they have Skylake chips in their cloud: https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2017/02/Google-Cloud-Pl...

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by andreiw »

askvictor wrote: post #133
imglorp wrote: post #35

This could well be a negotiating strategy to rejigger the relationship with Intel. Dell did exactly the same thing a number of times for similar reasons. So all you do is: put out some press releases, ramp up some hires, put out some glossy product roadmaps. Intel starts to get separation anxiety and flinches: well, maybe they can afford to come closer to AMD prices for another year. They kiss up and you back out of…

At some point though, this sends the competition (AMD) out of business, then, no more negotiation of this sort, and also everyone is worse off.

Actually, the only signal so far is to AMD to continue investing developing ARM chips after the A1100.

Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance

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Post by andreiw »

loeg wrote: post #88
pm90 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doesn't apple move macbooks to ARM processors?

They're far too wimpy today.

Which chips are you refering to, specifically? Because otherwise it's a blanket statement that is simply untrue.
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