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Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by nyolfen »

nsajko wrote: post #38
nyolfen wrote: post #31

capital is also an abstract concept and doesn't commit sexual assault. the two categories have little in common and it's a bizarre comparison to draw.

You think migrants are more rape-y than capital? ;) Edit: Are you insinuating that all migrants commit sexual assault, or maybe even that sexual assault is only perpetrated by migrants?

>Are you insinuating that all migrants commit sexual assault, or maybe even that sexual assault is only perpetrated by migrants?

only that there is a disproportionate amount of sexual assault committed by migrants in europe. [0][1][2]

this is a real cost associated with immigration, even if verboten to speak about amongst liberals. women pay the price for their silence.

[0] https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eez6Ab6u1C0/VmO6u36KY2I/AAAAAAAAI...

[1] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7lHPdsLuFLU/VmOgQS6thEI/AAAAAAAAI...

[2] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-McMd_WvVqRk/VmQsLZ_rwUI/AAAAAAAAIL...

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by avn2109 »

nyolfen wrote: post #31

capital is also an abstract concept and doesn't commit sexual assault. the two categories have little in common and it's a bizarre comparison to draw.

People draw that comparison because the fundamental primitives of Marx's theory are capital and labor (aka people).

I'm not passing judgement on the validity of that theory, merely explaining why the two are so often compared.

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by nyolfen »

throwaway_374 wrote: post #44
nyolfen wrote: post #31

capital is also an abstract concept and doesn't commit sexual assault. the two categories have little in common and it's a bizarre comparison to draw.

This isn't Breitbart. Your nazi kind aren't welcome here. Edit: Let the Trump boys downvote away but this is precisely the hallmarks of nazism, blaming an entire group of people. I will not sit silently while this happens before my eyes. Go ahead, downvote away.

you can cover your ears and shout 'nazi' all you'd like, but i'm not an extremist in any sense, or even a trump supporter. what i said may be controversial, but it's rooted in well established fact. people can have real concerns about the negative effects of immigration without being an evil boogeyman.

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by roywiggins »

AckSyn wrote: post #8
parhurs wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the infamous slippery slope.

From my position, people should seek refuge in their region and eventually return home. The USA can always send aid in the form of workers, money, logistics, and more.

People do. Dadaab is the largest refugee camp in the world. It's in Kenya, near the border with Somalia. It houses >250k people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadaab

There are millions of Syrian refugees, and a vast majority of them have taken refuge in neighboring countries: Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon.

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by andrenotgiant »

dao- wrote: post #10

> The 20-year-old chose Facebook Messenger as a home for the latest incarnation of his robot lawyer because of accessibility. “It works with almost every device, making it accessible to over a billion people,” he said. That can't be the whole story... A web app could have been at least as accessible. I guess Facebook offers APIs that make developing this kind of application easier than looking for other frameworks or…

The idea of Facebook platform being more accessible than the web is scary to me, but not surprising.

Think about non-tech-savvy users on low-end devices, Facebook is familiar, and there's no responsiveness or web accessibility issues, it can feel faster because Facebook can optimize what is getting downloaded.

It is scary when you extend this out a few years, FB and Google continue to extend the line of what gets consumed on their platform vs what sends people off to a web page.

Your company's branded app is already dead, soon your company's website will be dead.

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by ylem »

wutbrodo wrote: post #34
RangerScience wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the dev already has experience with the tech behind a chat bot, and may not have the experience needed to make a web app as easily. Think about all the "obvious" steps involved (text input, message chain display, page/server communications), the extra features FB messenger has (in-message buttons); then the issues with cleanly displaying on multiple screen sizes; and then you start getting into the fiddly b…

Doing this with (say) Twilio isn't a whole lot harder.

But, wouldn't he have to pay for Twilio? I love the Twilio API, but if he's running a fee service with a lot of users, that must be a consideration...

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by taurath »

ptaipale wrote: post #45
taurath wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capital flows completely freely between borders, but people can't. I don't really blame anyone for being economic migrants - they're just refugees of a different type.

Of course I don't blame anyone for being an economic migrant. It's a very natural thing to do: search for a better life. It's what I would do. Economic and technical development has progressed in Africa and Asia so that larger numbers of people than ever are able to consider migration. We see that now on the Libyan coast. However, particularly for European governments, it's now becoming visible that there is a select…

Absolutely true - if given the choice, most anyone would rather live in France than war torn Somalia. And given altruism doesn't work particularly well in unstable countries the current system is definitely in a bad state. Borders will have to be closed, as they marginally are now.

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by dominotw »

exit wrote: post #14
elandybarr wrote: post #5

So what happens when all 10.5 million Somalians, 22.85 million Syrians, 24.41 million Yemenis, 33.42 millions Iraqis, 37.96 million Sudanese, 6.35 million Eritreans, 77.45 million Iranians, etc apply?

nationality is segregation

internet is going to save us from this. Already does to a certain degree.

Re: Chatbot that overturned 160k parking fines now helping refugees claim asylum

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Post by erikpukinskis »

andrenotgiant wrote: post #56
dao- wrote: post #10

> The 20-year-old chose Facebook Messenger as a home for the latest incarnation of his robot lawyer because of accessibility. “It works with almost every device, making it accessible to over a billion people,” he said. That can't be the whole story... A web app could have been at least as accessible. I guess Facebook offers APIs that make developing this kind of application easier than looking for other frameworks or…

The idea of Facebook platform being more accessible than the web is scary to me, but not surprising. Think about non-tech-savvy users on low-end devices, Facebook is familiar, and there's no responsiveness or web accessibility issues, it can feel faster because Facebook can optimize what is getting downloaded. It is scary when you extend this out a few years, FB and Google continue to extend the line of what gets con…

This is partly a consequence of phone manufacturers implementing notification APIs for native apps first, and on several years later in browsers.

Although somewhat it's just the nature of the beast that these things take a little while to percolate into each browser.

I don't know how complete support is for web notifications, but eventually it will be a larger number than Facebook installed base. You can sometimes get some features early in apps, but the web browsers eventually cover everyone.

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