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Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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I really hope so. I guess there's no SLA so they're not obligated to provide any particular level of service. Anyway, I believe the phone support is a much more serious liability.

Why couldn't phone support be crowd-sourced as volunteers in 100's of "party-line" style chats?

Why would I pay for volunteer support?

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Is there a rule that says that if you're going to work on a distributed social network you have to be bad at naming things? socknet, really? Also, do we really need a solution that is distributed or would a dropdown box on Facebook that says "Visible to:" and lets you select a group (e.g., Friends, Family, Everyone) do?

A dropdown box on Facebook would do, but nobody can put it there so some people decided to go with Plan B.

but nobody can put it there

Except for Facebook. And, err, they did - quite a while ago :)

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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> The sourceforge project was registered on the 15th of may, this is not a project that has been in > mainstream development for two years. It may have been in development for two years but not with the > kind of push behind it that you need for a successful launch of a web application. Not sure what it matters how long it's been in development. If he's worked X years and gotten N amount of work done, he's still N am…

Fully agreed, no need in duplicating the effort. But an open letter is a pretty bad way to go about that, it screams 'you can't ignore me, I'm addressing you' because you are afraid that you will not be answered. Open letters are good for joe public to reach the town mayor or Ty Coon when all other avenues of trying to reach them have been exhausted. They're not exactly the best avenue to contact the people that run…

> Open letters are good for joe public to reach the town mayor or Ty Coon when all other avenues of trying to reach them have been exhausted.

> They're not exactly the best avenue to contact the people that run a competing open source project about a possible collaboration.

Agreed.

> I think it matters how long they've been at it because that is how they describe other projects, as having 'too little steam' behind them. I can't really tell the difference between those other projects with too little steam behind them and this one.

Well, "steam" in this regard can - IMO - come and go. You can start a project, do little or nothing to publicize it, tinker on it for a while, drop it, then restart it and you haven't really lost anything... if you step in two years later and start working on the project, committing code, doing releases, and publicizing it, I don't know that anybody will care about the "lost years." Or maybe I'm wrong, who knows?

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Off topic: if you look at the kickstarter page for Diaspora http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-p... Notice how for anyone who donates more than $5 they need to send them a CD with Diaspora on it. $25 gets them a t-shirt etc. For 6k donors, they're going to spend ~$50-100k of the $200k they raised just meeting their commitments. Not to mention a huge amount of time dealing with the logistics. E…

IF their product is such that an end user needs hosted service and phone support in the first place, they are worse than underwater.

This is why WordPress will never take off.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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"Even email is centralized"? I can start my own email server (or use one of millions of others) and send/receive to/from users on any other server... clearly decentralized (where is the center?)

I meant in practice. You could, but do you? Does anyone? What happens when your computer shuts down for the night? Email is centralized in that individuals usually register with a provider, rather than use their own machines. I think social networking can adopt a similar model so all we really need is an easy way to pick up our social data and go to a new provider. I mean who I consider to be my friends is my data, s…

It's still decentralized. Not one company has access to all e-mail, as with Facebook.

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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I meant in practice. You could, but do you? Does anyone? What happens when your computer shuts down for the night? Email is centralized in that individuals usually register with a provider, rather than use their own machines. I think social networking can adopt a similar model so all we really need is an easy way to pick up our social data and go to a new provider. I mean who I consider to be my friends is my data, s…

It's still decentralized. Not one company has access to all e-mail, as with Facebook.

Of course it is, I'm not saying you're wrong. Although usually one company has access to all your email. As far as the user is concerned it's still centralized. That is, our data is still stored in a centralized place. The protocols for these open social networks however call for decentralizing all the way to the user level, and that's not how email is (though it could be).

Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Email is also pretty featureless. *Google Wave enters, stage left.*

Wave's stuff isn't part of the standard right? So if I were using some other mail service/client I could only use the intersection of both services. Please correct me if I am wrong, I haven't had much exposure to wave (except a brief stint in the private beta where I realized nobody is using it, and therefore it was useless).

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Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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> I looked over the web and I found the same thing that I'm sure you found: several projects without much steam behind them. Maybe they found socknet too ? That wiki was filled on may the 19th, well after the diaspora stuff hit the media, or it hasn't been updated in ages before then. http://socknet.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChange... That money the diaspora guys raised has one definitely negative side e…

http://socknet.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChange... There's the same page with the limit changed from the default of 7 days (May 19) to 30 (April 26). And of course Google's been caching stuff there for awhile: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:socknet.net I know the Socknet guy via some trusted former coworkers and I've watched this project for a year or two. He's earnest and hasn't looked for any atte…

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Re: Open Letter to the Diaspora Dudes

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Off topic: if you look at the kickstarter page for Diaspora http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-p... Notice how for anyone who donates more than $5 they need to send them a CD with Diaspora on it. $25 gets them a t-shirt etc. For 6k donors, they're going to spend ~$50-100k of the $200k they raised just meeting their commitments. Not to mention a huge amount of time dealing with the logistics. E…

How do you arrive at this figure? When you purchase items like t-shirts and cd's in bulk you usually get a pretty sizable discount.
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