Im very curious how this will work for AMD with their K12 chip. They will have high performance x86_64 and AARCH64 chips.
Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
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Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#22Payback time? https://semiaccurate.com/2016/11/17/intel-preferentially-off... Okay, obviously this partnership started years back, but it's nice to see that not everyone is willing to encourage Intel's monopoly, as Google often does (in Chromebooks, too, even though Intel's chips are virtually unnecessary there). Although, to be fair, the "Wintel" name didn't come out of nowhere. Microsoft obviously played its part i…
Google's doing quite a bit of work to make ARM a viable Chromebook processor. http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/22/14691396/google-chromebook...
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#23Competition is great, but this also seems like a rather big setback to the goal of having multi-cloud applications, in instances where the app can only run on x86-64.
Microsoft has UWP Apps as part of Windows 10. Any UWP application will automatically run in the .NET Virtual Machine and work on both x86 and ARM. That, in combination with emulation for the x86-based legacy stuff, should be a powerful reason to use the Microsoft platform. Even if ARM servers don't become a thing, the support of ARM servers only benefits Microsoft and their current "Universal Windows Platform" strate…
Yes, Microsoft has UWP.
No, UWP and .NET are orthogonal. When I need to, I’m using C++ to develop my UWP apps just fine.
Edit: and even when using .NET, by default, UWP apps don’t run in the virtual machine. Instead, they’re compiled to native code with .NET Native.
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#24Competition is great, but this also seems like a rather big setback to the goal of having multi-cloud applications, in instances where the app can only run on x86-64.
AMD designs are used as a part of the design, and AMD has shown x86 and ARM chips which fit in the same sockets
On the same motherboards? That's rather impressive, if the same motherboard can support two different chip architectures. Having an ARM chip that just happens to use an AM3/AM4 socket is less impressive.
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#25> We wouldn't even bring something to a conference if we didn't think this was a committed project and something that's part of our road map."
As anyone who rode the rollercoaster of abandonment in the ActiveX years recalls, their previous MO was all about things that became uncommitted after being in their road map :(
I really hope there's some kind of future for non-Intel players.
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#26Im very curious how this will work for AMD with their K12 chip. They will have high performance x86_64 and AARCH64 chips.
Last I read K12 was cancelled.
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#27For what? Microsoft is not really a dominant force in the server space.
Azure is one of the big three in cloud computing - Google, Amazon, and Microsoft
Sure, but it is a single cloud.
Will you ever be able to buy these products? And would you ever want to? Windows Server 20XX on ARMv8 will forever remain a niche platform at best.
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
isn't it microsoft who are making x86 emulation for ARM
I would think any cost per performance advantage would be lost.
I don't think you'd run an entire OS like this. But some processes might not have been ported to ARM and those need an emulation layer. Think Apple's Rosetta for running PowerPC binaries on Intel processors to make the switch less painful.
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#29Competition is great, but this also seems like a rather big setback to the goal of having multi-cloud applications, in instances where the app can only run on x86-64.
There are fewer binary apps these days though. Java/Scala, C#/F#, JS, Python, Erlang should all be fine.
Don't most docker containers contain x86 binaries?
Re: Microsoft Pledges to Use ARM Server Chips, Threatening Intel's Dominance
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
isn't it microsoft who are making x86 emulation for ARM
I would think any cost per performance advantage would be lost.
For the emulated apps, sure. But apps compiled directly to the new architecture will gain a lot and benefit from the new architecture. Microsoft is big on backwards compatibility, so adopting a new architecture would be a complete non-starter if it weren't for an emulator.