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Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

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Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

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You have to let your interests drive you. I've got 2 kids who are 8 and 6 years old respectively. Prior to having kids, I had my own contracting business, all nighters were a part of my nightly routine and I obsessed about every new technology that came out. I tried to keep this up almost through the birth of my second child before I put myself in the hospital. That'll put things in perspective. Now I'm a lot more se…

This is a great point. You really need to get pickier about what you invest your time into, because your free time becomes so much more rare and precious. It no longer makes sense to "skill up" on every framework-of-the-month that makes #1 on HN. "You pick your battles" really sums it up.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

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For me, some things are luck. I live 25 minutes from my workplace by bike. The kids get themselves to school. I never worked more than 8 hour days, and have a job where nobody really understands what I do (a unique skill area within the company), so I actually spend work time on maintaining my skills. There may be reasons why communities like mine, and less intense employers, are magnets for people with kids.

A huge matter of luck has been my kids not needing things like exceptional medical or behavioral care. That's just not predictable.

Having kids does sharpen your time management, and may cause you to set aside some activities that no longer matter. I think that the mental stimulation -- or perhaps sheer terror -- made me more creative and energetic, even if I was physically fatigued. In the weeks after my daughter was born, while she was asleep, I actually developed and launched a new product for my side business.

Don't rule out changing jobs. I've read that something like 50% of workers change jobs right after the birth of their first child. A repeated pattern I've seen, over and over, is that new parents suddenly express an interest in becoming managers.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

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Also, I had to get clear on my arrogance on where I would work. I took a job with eBay, and would not have considered it before. But, they are extremely family friendly: three months paternity leave is incredible. Make sure you aren't trading the Kafkaesque options package at a startup for a less glamorous workplace and an opportunity to spend quality time with an even more confusing, but ultimately rewarding, two year old.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

#64
Wow, inspiring comments. I am a 30-year-old software engineer — not married, no kids, but reading the comments here gets me thinking that however busy I think I am, I wouldn't even dare to compare to what you all are going through. Instead, I should stop fooling myself of thinking that I am busy and cease to be lazy.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

#65
I have a 16 month old, do engineering (performance testing, load testing, distributed systems testing, database optimizations, and more for https://github.com/amark/gun ), but also am the CEO. This means I correspond with investors, do fund raising (which is another full time job), and of course have to be around for sales and everything else.

What is the magic sauce to doing it all?

Family.

I owe everything to my supportive wife, who herself just successfully defended her PhD last week and published a paper with one of the most prolific scientists in psychology (and science in general, Baumeister has over 120,000 citations - more than Hawking!).

When you make sure you have a healthy relationship, by edifying each other and promoting each other's ideals/dreams, life becomes a flourishing whirlwind of excitement - psychologists call this "eudaimonia".

Care for, and love what is right, true, noble, and worthwhile. All else will fade away, and then you'll have time for what matters. And never, ever, give up.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

#67

The nice thing about having kids is that it forces you to think about time management . Think about how much time you waste chit chatting, eating lunch, watching TV, surfing the Internet, etc. After kids, you'll want to rethink how you spend time and cut down on non-productive activities. That's exactly what I did - I reconfigured my time around productive work and kids. On week days, I allocate 7-8 hours for my day…

Time management, to me, is a more powerful "skill up" than anything that could keep your GitHub green. When you know you have limited hours in the day and you have hard time commitments, you have no choice but to learn and work efficiently.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

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I'm the father of 2, ages 3 and 2. My wife is due with number 3 in May. My son (3) was diagnosed about 18 months ago with level 3 ASD. I have a beautiful family that I adore. I'm a software engineer, and I was just promoted a couple months ago. I'm definitely not superhuman. I have several unpublished blogs, but haven't been able to get to them lately. I open source more projects than contributing to existing ones, a…

This is the winning comment for me.

You won't have as much time. But you will learn to make that time really count.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

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I have 2 kids - 4 year old & a 3 month old. I am writing this (comment), as I put my son to sleep. He is almost 4 & wants me to be in the room as he drifts to sleep. So i am sitting beside his bed (after an evening full of quality time with him), checking up on left over work for the day (& hackernews) We just had the second one - who is 3 months old now. So it's still adjusting phase for all of us at home. Sometimes…

We've got 3: 4,2, and 9 months. Thank goodness they all sleep (relatively) well.

The baby goes down at 6 and the older ones go down at 7:30 (really, we start the process at like 7, targeting 7:30). We're also incredibly lucky that bedtime isn't much of a fight, it goes pretty smoothly so we're not all ragged for the rest of the night.

I usually don't count on doing anything beyond trivial at all after they go to bed- it's full on cleanup and relax time unless there's an actual work emergency. Or, usually a couple times a week when it's above 30 degrees in the garage, I'll be out there doing some woodworking or wrenching on the motorcycles.

We've started watching a lot of Netflix stand up specials because a) we just wrapped up a day in the life of three kids under five and two startups and b) they're just long enough to watch one and decide to call it an early night.

I don't even try and squeeze in code or learning during the weekend when the kids are awake because I'll spend the entire time stressing about when they're going to interrupt me, that they did interrupt me, or that I should be playing with them instead of [whatever].

I get up early just about every single morning, usually before 5, and I get my time in then. On the weekdays that buys me around 4 hours every morning before I have to start my 'real work', on the weekends it gives me a couple hours. I try to make my hay during the week as I've got my own office outside the house, and I get a lot more done a lot faster there.

What has been helpful, though I'm certainly not over it yet, has been to just not try and cram things in during the day between naps for the kids. It just wound up with a lot of anxiety and clock watching. Instead, when I'm at home I'm trying to be present, trying to stay off the phone or computer, and just trying to quiet my mind by being busy with the family until bed time. Once they're asleep then I can do whatever I want with whatever energy I have left.

Re: Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up?

#70
I'm 25 and a father of a 5 yr old and a 8 month old. It can be tough - your relationship with your children is just like any relationship: you have to put time and effort in and you have to remember to balance what's best for you as well. For a long time I didn't take care of myself and swung too far the opposite direction - I sacrificed my performance at work, my friendships, and my hobbies until one night of drunken craziness where I put my relationship with my wife and children in the backseat for a night. I realized I had been neglecting what makes me, me and at the first chance to let loose I took it too far. I've since learned (and am still learning) a better balance. Some things I've learned that are invaluable in keeping that balance are:

- A work relationship that supports your personal growth and family. I am extremely lucky to have a job that actively encourages me to take time to learn and skill up while on the clock and also engages me in planning my long term career growth with them. They also really care about my family and make sure I have the ability to take care of them with things like good insurance and the ability to leave with a short notice for things like sick kids or other personal emergencies. I know not everyone has that opportunity, but if you do, think twice before skipping over it.

- A solid support network. I wouldn't be able to function without my wife's and my parents. Got one sick kid but the other still needs to go to school? My parents come in clutch every time. Again, we're very fortunate to have them but we've taken it for granted in the past when looking to move cities and being near a strong support network is always a positive with kids.

- Friends/Hobbies. I haven't quite figured out a good balance with this one myself. For a long time I never made time to hang out with friends or just do something I liked because I felt like I couldn't afford that luxury. If I get home by 5, that only gives me a couple of hours with my boys before bedtime. The time after that I want to spend with my wife. If I go out with friends, I'm missing that small window of time to be with them. But as I mentioned earlier, that's not totally healthy because if you keep that up too long then when the time comes to let loose, it happens in a big way. For now, there's a small bar/restaurant between work and home that I've taken to knock off an hour early every few weeks and spend a couple hours with friends there. It's on the way home, so the commute doesn't cut in to how much time I get to spend, and I still make it home only a little later than normal. My next step is probably to start going in to work earlier so I have a little more free time in the evenings for something I miss dearly: reading for pleasure.

I envy those who manage to find a good balance and routine, but it's just a work in progress for us all. If/when you become a parent, you'll have to find what works best for you.

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