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Re: Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?

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Post by Grangar »

bsvalley wrote: post #30
Grangar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily true. We've been looking for a medior frontend dev with Magento experience (any will do) for almost a year, no one to be found.

That's what happens when you move away from the standard technologies. You should look for a smart frontend dev instead who could learn a new framework easily. Search for a Frontend/php or frontend/javascript developer. You'll see the difference.

We are, as well. The problem is that we currently don't have the capacity to train a new colleague. We need someone who can make a running start.

Re: Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?

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Post by bsvalley »

Grangar wrote: post #31
bsvalley wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what happens when you move away from the standard technologies. You should look for a smart frontend dev instead who could learn a new framework easily. Search for a Frontend/php or frontend/javascript developer. You'll see the difference.

We are, as well. The problem is that we currently don't have the capacity to train a new colleague. We need someone who can make a running start.

Then you fall into a specific scenario where you need someone who has a very specific keyword on a Resume. There are a lot of candidates on the market right now for all the standard positions, web javascript, mobile objective-c and swift, backend NoSQL and java, etc. Which is what I was referring to.

Re: Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?

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Post by GFischer »

tarsinge wrote: post #22

In Paris in my company we have a hard time finding even junior front-end devs, salaries are rising quickly

Developer salaries in Europe are ridiculously bad, not sure about Paris specifically, but one of my in-laws moved from Vienna to San Francisco and the salary boost was ridiculous (and housing in Vienna proper is extremely expensive too, so it's not as if he moved from a cheap country).

We've had developers move from Spain to Chile, and even Uruguay where I am, rather than France, so there must be some problem with salaries (they do have the advantage of the same language here of course).

Re: Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?

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Post by taurath »

Grangar wrote: post #31
bsvalley wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what happens when you move away from the standard technologies. You should look for a smart frontend dev instead who could learn a new framework easily. Search for a Frontend/php or frontend/javascript developer. You'll see the difference.

We are, as well. The problem is that we currently don't have the capacity to train a new colleague. We need someone who can make a running start.

What's the difference getting a good smart person now who can bring themselves up in a month vs waiting another month (or more!) for someone with the keyword?

Re: Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?

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Post by deval »

Grangar wrote: post #31
bsvalley wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what happens when you move away from the standard technologies. You should look for a smart frontend dev instead who could learn a new framework easily. Search for a Frontend/php or frontend/javascript developer. You'll see the difference.

We are, as well. The problem is that we currently don't have the capacity to train a new colleague. We need someone who can make a running start.

I've been working professionally in eCommerce for 7 years and have been writing OO PHP code since I was 16. I've been out of work for 6 months and cannot find a job because my last job used the Zend framework and now the industry seems to only want Laravel and Magneto developers.

I've found my experience in eCommerce is in general is completely over looked simply because I don't have professional experience with the exact framework a company is using. I have a good understanding of everything else that goes into building eCommerce sites, things like payment gateways, eCommerce analytics, etc, but the conversation always goes like this:

- "We're looking for someone with strong PHP backend skills for our eCommerce site"

- "Cool, I've been working in eCommerce for 7 years now. And I have been using PHP for over 10. I should be a really good match."

- "What's your experience with Magneto?"

- "I've played with it a little in personal projects, but I don't have any industry experience. I'm very willing to learn though. I have professional experience with other frameworks and CMS's like Zend and Wordpress so I shouldn't find it too hard."

- "Yeah, sorry we're really looking for a Magneto whizz to help us out. I don't think you have the experience we need."

I'm not sure what devs who don't have the luxury of being in a job that changes tech stacks every 5 years are suppose to do. Another example is that I've been keeping up with Node & Express in personal projects, but I can't land a job in either because I don't have the "experience". So yeah, now I'm completely out of money and losing my house and car I've realised I'm going to have to restart my career and entire life because of this crap.

I would absolutely love to learn magneto. I'd be willing to put in 2 hours of my own time every day to catch up, but I find it hard to believe someone with a year of PHP and magneto experience would be more valuable to a company that me.

I also can't believe how many people are asking for version numbers of things I've worked with either. I have Angular experience, but I'm frequently told my experience with Angular 1 isn't good enough. It's really quite ridiculous considering it only took me about a week to get a decent grasp on Angular in the first place.

Re: Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?

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Post by sokoloff »

Grangar wrote: post #31
bsvalley wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what happens when you move away from the standard technologies. You should look for a smart frontend dev instead who could learn a new framework easily. Search for a Frontend/php or frontend/javascript developer. You'll see the difference.

We are, as well. The problem is that we currently don't have the capacity to train a new colleague. We need someone who can make a running start.

You wanted someone who could get a running start 12 months ago... It might be reasonable to conclude that you would be better off finding a qualified and flexible candidate in the next 2 months who could make progress in the following 1-3 months, rather than waiting another 6+ months for Godot.
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