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Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by orangecat »

papachito wrote: post #15
ergo98 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goldman Sachs has a P/E ratio of 5.94. Microsoft's P/E is heavily "discounted" because it's considered a sort of swan song of easy money (the Windows and Office empire that they've coasted on). Apple's is considered the beginning of things. Stock value today isn't based on today, it's based on "tomorrow".

> Apple's is considered the beginning of things. Who says that? They could be at the top of their game right now and not see more growth and stabilizing and/or decreasing in the future. There is no way to tell, otherwise you'd be very rich already ;) > Stock value today isn't based on today, it's based on "tomorrow". Who says that? Many believe that Apple stocks are overvalued today, that's for sure. Oh, and again, t…

. There is no way to tell, otherwise you'd be very rich already ;)

Conversely, the aggregate opinion of investors does has some value. Otherwise you could make a fortune betting against any stocks with high P/E ratios.

Many believe that Apple stocks are overvalued today, that's for sure.

Sure. And just as many believe it's undervalued, otherwise the current price would be lower than it is. This is true for any stock.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by jpablo »

TheSOB88 wrote: post #24
jpablo wrote: post #19

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I'll bet facebook has more impact than Apple. Apple makes your iPod, that let's me listen to music. Facebook creates your social life (for a lot of people it does).

I disagree. For me, the only way Facebook helps me socially is as a sort of phone book and with events. Catching up over Facebook seems a useless event compared to conversing IRL. Besides, an inordinate amount of people use it as a game system with a leaderboard. Facebook's value isn't really social at all. It's pseudosocial.

It's the same to me, catching up over FB is crap. But there are a lot of RL social stuff that if FB wasn't there a lot of people would be missing.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by ecq »

raphar wrote: post #27
Jun8 wrote: post #5

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Exactly! One of the best essay in PG's H&Ps book in my opinion was the one that explains how winning doesn't have to be a zero-sum game, you can generate wealth. This seems a no brainer but a lot of people don't get it. Many predict that a similar thing will happen in the battle between Google and Apple.

It interesting view this google vs apple in: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL+goog put the graph to 1y or 5y.

Apple is a monster.

Google's stock price is pretty much downhill, considering they left the second biggest (and soon to be biggest) market in the world. China.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by hugh3 »

apphacker wrote: post #26

Did MG Siegler just violate SEC laws by not disclosing if he owns Apple stock and telling thousands of his readers that Apple stock will continue to increase?

Are SEC laws that easy to violate?

Hey everybody, I think Apple stock is going to continue to increase! I may or may not own Apple stock.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by apphacker »

hugh3 wrote: post #35
apphacker wrote: post #26

Did MG Siegler just violate SEC laws by not disclosing if he owns Apple stock and telling thousands of his readers that Apple stock will continue to increase?

Are SEC laws that easy to violate? Hey everybody, I think Apple stock is going to continue to increase! I may or may not own Apple stock.

Yes, I think so. People have been forced to settle with the SEC for comments made on forums for example.

http://news.cnet.com/SEC,-teen-settle-Net-stock-scheme-case/...

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by hugh3 »

jpablo wrote: post #19
FraaJad wrote: post #12

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The problem with facebook is it does not produce any value unlike Microsoft and Apple. Both Apple and Microsoft's product help people create stuff, get things done, entertain themselves. Facebook does a tiny bit of entertaining and socializing, it is no where near MSFT or AAPL in terms of having a tangible impact on people's lives.

I'll bet facebook has more impact than Apple. Apple makes your iPod, that let's me listen to music. Facebook creates your social life (for a lot of people it does).

Even if that were true, I give money to Apple and I don't give any money to facebook. Apple extracts thousands of dollars directly from my wallet, while facebook just sells my wandering eyeballs.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by hugh3 »

apphacker wrote: post #36
hugh3 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are SEC laws that easy to violate? Hey everybody, I think Apple stock is going to continue to increase! I may or may not own Apple stock.

Yes, I think so. People have been forced to settle with the SEC for comments made on forums for example. http://news.cnet.com/SEC,-teen-settle-Net-stock-scheme-case/...

Crud. Well in that case... hey everybody, I don't own any Apple stock!

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by norswap »

jacquesm wrote: post #6

Interesting tidbit, when you scroll down the page to the end where the logos are displayed, the apple logo looks new, shiny and modern, the microsoft logo looks old and boring. Their corporate images reflect the logos quite well. edit: funny moderation here, would you mind telling me why ? Apple logo on the page not shiny ? Microsoft logo not old and boring ? Or do you - mistakenly - take me for an apple fanboy or so…

So irrelevant. Apple logo is indeed shiny, but it's 90ies-shiny. I much prefer Microsoft logo.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Post by zmitri »

ergo98 wrote: post #10
moron4hire wrote: post #8

Consider that Apple's P/E is 24.5 and Microsoft's P/E is 13.4. Basically, while Apple may be in demand right now, Microsoft is earning almost twice as much. Also, Microsoft pays a (albeit small) dividend, whereas Apple does not.

Goldman Sachs has a P/E ratio of 5.94. Microsoft's P/E is heavily "discounted" because it's considered a sort of swan song of easy money (the Windows and Office empire that they've coasted on). Apple's is considered the beginning of things. Stock value today isn't based on today, it's based on "tomorrow".

Just so you know, Goldman Sachs' P/E has nothing to do with this discussion. GS is a player in an entirely different industry and it is useless to compare this one statistic between two tech companies.
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