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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Just like they committed to revealing exploits to the tech industry instead of hoarding them?

> Just like they committed to revealing exploits to the tech industry instead of hoarding them? I think you're letting your cynicism get in the way of truth and understanding. The US has signed and ratified a treaty committing to destroy all chemical weapons and never produce them again [1], and it has built the infrastructure to do so [2] [3]. It's conspiracy-nut territory to think the US is simultaneously stockpili…

How can one not have a whole giant mountain of cynicism with all we've become aware of in the last few years? We could just as easily turn the tables and call you irresponsibly naive.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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It's interesting to note that Julian Assange didn't demonstrate control of the wikileaks private key during his Reddit AMA 1 month ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5n58sm/i_am_julian_as... Considering the political situation unfolding in the US and who this leak weakens, there is some evidence that wikileaks is not in the hands of a neutral party. There is clear motive right now for undermining the CIA. Th…

Yeah that's what I say when I'm downvoted too. My voice of freedom must not be silenced etc.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#503

The Samsung TV attack seems rather lame. The attack apparently has to be installed via a USB device, which means somebody has to physically reach the TV. If you can get that far, there are other ways to plant a bug. The documents don't indicate they've been able to install it remotely. Looking into remote update was on the to-do list. There's little interesting technical detail in any of this. It looks like stuff tha…

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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Obviously there's a difference between cyber and conventional weapons, but imagine if the same rationale were extended to physical munitions: "We can't drop this bomb on the enemy, it contains classified technology"

This is certainly a big headache not just for munitions but lots of military equipment. A famous recent example was the Navy Seals blowing up one of their (experimental) Stealth Black Hawks when it was damaged while landing during the Bin Laden raid. Edit: scuttle; (verb): sink (one's own ship) deliberately by holing it or opening its seacocks to let water in

I believe this also occurred during the recent raid in Yemen. Seems our secret helicopters are one time use only...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Based on the overview alone (of course I can't read the entire report that fast!), this is exactly what I expect a spy agency would be doing -- if they were not then I would be disappointed. What exactly in the admittedly shortened list am I supposed to be upset about? It makes no distinction between US citizens and overseas parties. If these actions are being done domestically against US citizens, with no just cause…

> What exactly in the admittedly shortened list am I supposed to be upset about? That, with taxpayer dollars, the government of the United States is undermining the security of consumer devices around the world. Part of the difference between your worldview and the view of those of us who find this behavior childish and unacceptable is that you "expect a spy agency would be doing [this;] if they were not then [you] w…

You don't actually say why they shouldn't be doing this, though. Everyone with this opinion seems to base it on moral grounds around privacy, but in practical terms, is this really harming citizens? So far there's zero evidence these things being used illegally domestically. IE: Without a warrant. There is some evidence that they've prevented some wrongdoing with it, though.

I get the theoretical moral argument. I just don't understand why it matters in practical terms.

If the government wants to blackmail me, or discriminate against me, or whatever, they're going to do it with or without these tools. To not build them is to willfully give up an important competitive edge on the global stage.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#506
I applaud what seems like a coordinated attempt to outdo each other when it comes to extreme transparency.

1) Wikileaks revealing the CIA has undermined consumer goods with malware. (this looks like a bigger deal than the Snowden revelations on the NSA side).

2) Russian opposition leader Navalny revealing that former Russian President Medvedev has been accused of amassing a billion-dollar plus property empire, based largely on bribes and subterfuge.

I can only hope this extreme transparency, despite the biases of its torchbearers, lights its way into every hall of power from the White House to the Great Hall of the People.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Looks like the CIA is screwing the public by mutual consent. The public is demanding more of the same, just as long as it's directed at whoever is out their favor. Here're the two topmost comments on NYT at the moment[0]:

  karma2013 New Jersey 3 hours ago
  If anyone still has doubts that Wikileaks and the Russians   
  are working together to undermine and destabilize our    
  government institutions, erode public confidence in our 
  government, and generally wreak havoc in our country, this 
  latest document dump should erase all doubt. We are under 
  attack by an adversarial nation, with a President here at  
  the helm who seems not to take any of this seriously.
  Spy agencies spy, this should come as no shock -- this is 
  how they infiltrate potential terrorist plots against 
  America and keep us safe. We are less safe today thanks to 
  Wikileaks and Assange's unholy alliance with Putin..

  Thomas Marin County, CA 3 hours ago
  Where's the hacking of trump's taxes and his Russian 
  connections??
  This information is needed NOW!
[0]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/world/europe/wikileaks-ci...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#508

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I have written about this in the past. I believe I proposed something like a "no executive" world government, where you had international laws, defined by treaties, and a commitment by some treaty signatories to "arrest" any state actor which broke them. If this coalition of "world police" (which are, of course, armies) were powerful enough, I believe this could lead to less lawbreaking by governments (from the USA t…

You know that what you're doing here is creating a world-dominating monopoly on the use of force, and whomever ran that army would be the defacto leader of the world, right? We're organized as nation-states in the first place so we can protect (generally) and pursue interests based on some sort of shared goal or value. For the United States, it's the constitution (ostensibly), for others it's different reasons. Feder…

> whomever ran that army would be the defacto leader of the world

That is specifically why I don't permit an executive. This isn't one army, it's an alliance of armies. They were (in my original proposal, not in the comment above) controlled by a council of heads of government who had to take (arrest) suggestions from the chief prosecutor of the international court, but were forbidden to take other actions collectively.

In fact, I recall suggesting that such a group of allies would promise to use force only to defend direct attack on their own borders, and to execute arrests.

> We're organized as nation-states in the first place so we can protect (generally) and pursue interests based on some sort of shared goal or value.

I'm not sure I was ever offered a choice of whether or which nation to join, nor given any arguments for it. The reason(s) for their formation are certainly not rational - they are an emergent phenomenon!

> the UN

The UN is a diplomatic mission, which aims to give nations who come into conflict a neutral space in which to talk to one another like grown ups (or, often, not like grown ups.) It is a fundamentally different goal to an organisation which aims to use the traditional enforcement of rule of law to coerce those with political power to act within at least some behavioural boundaries.

> Coming to an understanding between 8 Billion on who should be able to arrest them is extremely difficult.

Actually, again, this hypothetical force only has arrest power over international crimes - specifically, crimes which are committed by people wielding state power. This includes members of governments, civil services, uncivil services (police, army), and so on, but most definitely not civilians.

(An interested edge case I considered was the idea of an impromptu Texan militia who attempted to invade Mexico. I can't remember whether I decided they had designated themselves a pseudo-state or not by doing it. The same reasoning about whether jurisdiction should apply also works for most terrorists, anyway.)

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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> However, Julian Assange has repeatedly said that the source is not the russian goverment or a affiliated state party How would he know? Isn't wikileaks set up so that people can submit data anonymously? Is he claiming that they got the data through different channels? Why would an insider purposefully leak the data in a way that de-anonymized him to Assange and possibly others, instead of using the established chan…

> How would he know? Not all leaks are submitted through the web forms. Craig Murray has stated that he received some of the leaks in person from a DNC insider during a face to face meeting in Washington, and he couriered those leaks to wikileaks himself. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/14/craig-murray...

Huh, I had never heard that, why is that? Does Murray have a credibility problem, has he no evidence for his claim? Assume that any explanation that amounts to suppression by the "liberal media" or the "establishment" will fall on deaf ears.

Murray's Wikipedia page is not full of alarm bells, it does mention him appearing on Alex Jones's radio program but to discuss a non-crazy subject.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#510

>"As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations." Reminds me of the reporter who was supposedly working on a massive investigation and then died in a flaming car crash while skipping town. Forgot his name

I can't believe this meme won't die -- it's so incredibly disrespectful to his family. Honestly no better than the Sandy Hook Truther bullshit.

Michael Hastings was a recovering alcoholic and meth-abuser whose brother, Jonathan, had flown into town the day before because he suspected that Michael was having a manic breakdown similar to the ones he had in the past. Jonathan had been called to LA since several of Michael's coworkers had reached out about his mental state.

After spending the day with Michael, Jonathan called their third brother to come help get Michael back into rehab. That brother arranged to fly out the next day but that night, at 4:30am, Michael snuck out of his apartment and crashed his car into a tree at very high speed.

Here's what Jonathan Hastings thinks about his brother's death:

I really rule out foul play entirely. I might have been suspicious if I hadn’t been with him the day before he died. After all, he definitely was investigating and writing about a lot of sensitive subjects. But based on being with him and talking to people who were worried about him in the weeks leading up to his death, and being around him when he had had similar problems when he was younger, I was pretty much convinced that he wasn’t in danger from any outside agency.

https://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/michael_hastings_life_and_d...

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