Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, but then that's an issue with the way fines and punishments for said crimes are structured, not the fault of those who takes advantage of the loophole. There are 2 types of fines: fines that are meant to stop things from happening and fines that are there to basically make the city money. Most traffic fines seem to be structured for the latter.
Wrong. It is an issue with the idea that the rich are above the law.
The Uber Conflation
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Re: The Uber Conflation
#92On the flipside, I, for one, view Uber’s regulatory maneuvering in a much more positive light. After all, thinking about the “spirit of the law” can lead to a very different conclusion: the purpose of taxi regulation, at least in theory, was not to entrench local monopolies but rather to ensure safety. If those goals can be met through technology — GPS tracking, reputation scoring, and the greater availability of tra…
That's just a bullshit excuse. Uber attacked healthy markets with proper consumer protection, and more importantly: wider social protection. And it did so with blatantly illegal tactics that were clearly detrimental and socially undesirable. Uber is just a criminal organization acting solely out of greed.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's now what this is. They're breaking the law and willingly serving the penalty. You can argue that the penalty isn't strong enough, but then your issue is with the legislature, not the criminal. What you're saying is tantamount to saying a thief who likes prison food is also above the law, because he actually enjoys the penalty for the laws he breaks.
That's great, but no. I can argue that they shouldn't break the law. The penalty is irrelevant.
And if you had done that, I'd have never responded. What you said was:
>You're advocating for wealth being over the law.
Which no one has yet done, not even close. Justice, according to the law, is being served. You can argue that the penalty is unjust, which you have failed to do so far.
You can also argue that it's wrong to break the law, which is a new argument in the thread starting with your "over the law" comment.
Saying an entity isn't subject to the law because of wealth and saying that an entity shouldn't break the law are two completely different things. The first argument doesn't work because the companies in question are proving they are subject to the law by paying the fines. The second argument is new, nebulous, not particularly substantive, and otherwise better left ignored.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#94And I could easily see this "fuck the world, we do what we do" attitude creating a hyper-alpha atmosphere where sexual harassment is scoffed at.
So, one could argue that without this attitude, Uber would have run out of steam or lacked the hustle to take on the Taxi companies and government regulations.
Still, regardless of the success that this culture has achieved, you can't treat your workers like shit and ignore sexual harassment.
I could easily see Uber being replaced by another company after Uber does all the hard legwork of taking on the Taxi companies and governments.
Especially if Uber lacks the ability to fix its' image.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#95"Otto having stolen intellectual property are very serious, it’s worth remembering that the entire industry is basically built on theft" There's an interesting argument in the article, but the amount of squid-ink being squirted overwhelms it. A big chunk of the article is pretty much "They didn't do it, and if they did, look at everyone else." Which is pretty much bullshit. Where it lands for me: If the CEO wants to…
If the CEO wants to take responsibility for the culture, he needs to step down for running an institution that routinely breaks the law. (There's a legal term for that...)
Watch him aim for the middle ground... weaseling and PR with the fervent prayers that attention will shift and he can keep eating the sweet cake he gets to keep. When most people can't formulate or even understand the logical proposition you're offering, heartless people are left with amazing leeway.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's just a bullshit excuse. Uber attacked healthy markets with proper consumer protection, and more importantly: wider social protection. And it did so with blatantly illegal tactics that were clearly detrimental and socially undesirable. Uber is just a criminal organization acting solely out of greed.
I deleted Uber after all of this, but You are wrong. I lived in SF during 2010-2012 and calling taxis was a huge pain. I started using Uber when it was only black cars because they showed up. I would call yellow cab and after an hour they didn't even show up, so I called them again and they said "well, if you didn't see a car after 20 mins, you should have called back." I had another experience in LA in 2014 where I…
> The taxis can suck it. They are unclean, expensive, and have irrational drivers that think they can push around their customers because they know there was no need to improve due to regulation.
Unfortunately, these Taxi drivers are now working for Uber and Lyft.
I take Lyft a lot (and I used Uber for a while but went back to Lyft after reading Susan Fowler's post); I've been riding for about two and a half years, and I typically take dozens of rides a month. Most drivers I've dealt with are perfectly pleasant people, but I've encountered a few who are just horrendous. I'm fairly sure most of these people are former cab drivers.
Some examples:
- At my last job, there were multiple drivers who insisted on parking a block away and making me walk to their car, typically through an unlit area at night. This was in a suburban office park, not a crowded city street; there was no excuse to make me walk, and over time I developed a theory that it's because I'm a woman and they want to assert their dominance. I always cancel when they pull this shit, and I eventually memorized their names and began cancelling every time someone with a history of this accepted one of my requests.
- One of the above was particularly bad. This was pretty early on, and it was one of the only times I actually walked over to him. As soon as I got in the car, he started yelling "You kept me waiting for three minutes!". I then said "I was expecting you to come to where I actually am". He then told me to get out. As I was getting out, I told him I was reporting him to Lyft, at which point he said "Yeah, well I work for myself" (people like him are why I just want Uber and Lyft to declare their drivers as employees and not contractors). As I was walking back to my office building to call another, I see his car double back towards me. As he pulls into the parking lot, I start walking faster, and he gets out of his car and chases me into the building. Luckily, I got into the elevator before he could, took it up to where I worked, and told my boss what happened. My boss called 911, we waited until the cops made sure he was gone before I left again, and then a co-worker gave me a ride home.
- Driver once stopped at a street corner before picking me up and texted me demanding to know my destination address. When I told him I already put my destination into the system, he cancelled on me.
- A few drivers think it's acceptable to drive out of the way and get gas after they accept the ride, before picking me up. I cancel on them. One of them, after I cancelled on him, drove up to my house about 10 minutes later while I was waiting outside for the driver I called after I cancelled on him and said "Hey you, you called a ride?". I screamed and went back inside. I came within a hair of calling the cops.
- One driver kept a logbook of every passenger's name plus their source address and destination address. He was perfectly pleasant to talk to, but that logbook creeped me out.
- Back when I was new to Lyft, I thought I had to stay in the car while I rated and tipped the driver after the ride (I think this was when Lyft was still operating on a donation model in Dallas). Of course, my phone was acting slow then (it was a recurring problem with my old Nexus 5), so it was taking a while. During this time, the driver repeatedly screenshotted the Lyft app on his phone with my profile picture visible and kept asking over and over how much Lyft charged me for the ride. I found it creepy, so I just kept lying to him and saying that the screen hasn't loaded yet. It gets weirder. He dropped me off at a bar, and my usual MO at that bar was to get a drink at the bar and then go out on the patio. When I got to the patio, he was still parked in the same spot he dropped me off at, and he was staring at me with my drink on the patio, so I went right back inside. Seriously frightening. I hope he wasn't fapping to the screenshots he took of my profile picture.
- I had a driver pick me up from home to take me to a bar. He went to the wrong place, and I tried to give him instructions, but his English was word salad, and he couldn't understand me when I gave basic directions like "keep driving forwards", either. Somehow he made it to my place. As I was getting in the front seat, he screamed at me "Hey I'm up here! Get in back!" at the top of his lungs. It was the only coherent thing I ever heard from him. I let him drive me there just so I could 1-star him (he was already at 4.5, which was below Lyft's termination threshold).
- One guy made me sit in the back for no reason (I hate sitting in the back, and making me sit in the back guarantees no higher than a 3-star rating unless they end up being a spectacular conversationalist). On the way, he made a wrong turn into an express toll lane. Because of that, we ended up having to go out of our way to get out of the express lane and double back to where we were supposed to be going. While in the express lane, he starts going into an angry rant about how he's trying to run a business here but we keep dinging him with tolls. Another reason why Lyft needs to give up on the idea of classifying drivers as contractors; every driver I've seen who treats being a driver as running their own business has been a terrible person.
- One guy made me ride in the back because he had the insides of the back doors and the backs of the front seat plastered with advertising for his private driver service. If I knew at the time that was a violation of Lyft's TOS, I would've reported him.
- One guy parked at a hospital across the street from where I was. I called to tell him my location... he said "I'm at the hospital.", I said "I'm not. I'm at..." and then before I could tell him where I am, he barked out "Call another!" and cancelled. I was glad, actually. I rode with him once before that; he had a really creepy van, and he made me ride in the back in a pretty creepy way (he opened the automatic sliding door as I was walking up to him), so I was actually glad I didn't have to ride with him again. I don't remember why I didn't 3-star him the first time I rode with him. I think I just forgot to rate him at all.
- Some of them just don't know how to make conversation. I've had more than a few, after picking me up at my office building, just bark out "What kind of building is that!?". They say it in a tone like they're interrogating an enemy spy, and they seem to not know what a multi-tenant office building is. Normal people don't do that. Normal people ask "Just getting off work?", sometimes followed by "So, what do you do for a living?", and that usually leads to pleasant conversation. Not "What kind of building is that!?" spoken like they're about to get out the waterboard if I don't answer fast enough.
- I've had a small handful of drivers lately who insist on blasting violent gangsta rap on the radio, and they get upset when I ask them to turn the radio off. One of them, though, was the worst. This guy just turned it down a little, and when I said "I asked you to turn it off", he said "hey, I turned it down, what more do you want?". I made him let me off right there, and because he was using his sister's Lyft account (a huge violation of their policies; I wouldn't have gotten in at all if I'd paid attention to the name and face on the Lyft profile before I got in), I called their Critical Response Hotline and reported him. Based on the response I got from them, I'm fairly sure both he and his sister got banned from the platform.
- One Uber driver blatantly ran a red light with me in the car. It wasn't even yellow when he was approaching, he didn't even try to slow down when the light turned yellow, and it was red for a few seconds by the time he entered the intersection. I wrote up a nice long report for that one.
- One woman flipped her shit when I politely asked her to not use Waze. Waze's algorithm is actually incapable of getting me home (it insists on cutting through a gated community I don't have access to). It's not uncommon for drivers to use Waze, and when I say "please don't use Waze", other drivers have no problems letting me manually guide them. This lady, though, had a full on temper tantrum. She started screaming at me saying "Waze is all I have" and "I can't turn it off" (bullshit; I've had lots of drivers close the app). She even punched the steering wheel. She also said "you'll have to guide me then!" in the nastiest, most angriest way possible. I have no problems whatsoever manually guiding people, but the way she said it made it sound like manually guiding her was offensive. I asked her to let me out, and as soon as I got out, I called the Critical Response Hotline. I've never seen a driver so immature and so nasty; I wonder if she was on meth. The person I talked to was just as shocked and horrified as I was.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe at the expense of consumers, but not necessarily to the detriment of citizens.
Anecdote, not data, but my experiences using Uber have been universally better than using taxis and the same is true for everyone I know who has moderate recent experience with both in the US. There may still be arguments to make that it's detrimental, or at least not beneficial for other reasons, or there may be data that contradicts my anecdote (if so, please link it), but I'm glad Uber exists and probably opposed…
I know of no one in any of the dozen or so cities I've lived who doesn't prefer a typical uber driver to a typical cab driver.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#98"Otto having stolen intellectual property are very serious, it’s worth remembering that the entire industry is basically built on theft" There's an interesting argument in the article, but the amount of squid-ink being squirted overwhelms it. A big chunk of the article is pretty much "They didn't do it, and if they did, look at everyone else." Which is pretty much bullshit. Where it lands for me: If the CEO wants to…
At any rate this part of Ben Thompson's post annoyed me for a different reason - he conflates and equates patent infringement with theft of trade secrets, while those are in fact quite different things, and have correspondingly quite different forms of relief/punishment.
I don't have a strong position on whether or not that should be the case, but the fact remains that theft of trade secrets is actually a federal crime.
Re: The Uber Conflation
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe at the expense of consumers, but not necessarily to the detriment of citizens.
What's the difference? Please elaborate. As I see it, there are only a few citizens who benefitted-- those involved in the ownership of taxi companies & medallions.
I bike commute in San Francisco and on a typical day I dodge literally dozens of illegally double-parked ride share cars occupying marked bike lanes. I have been nearly doored multiple times, nearly run into parked cars multiple times, been forced into traffic innumerable times, etc.
This is not the 'fault' (sic) of individual drivers. It's the business model, and I hold Uber and Lyft accountable.
EDIT: taxi drivers do this 2% as often; I've bike commuted in the city 20 years and it is apples and oranges
Re: The Uber Conflation
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the difference? Please elaborate. As I see it, there are only a few citizens who benefitted-- those involved in the ownership of taxi companies & medallions.
Other people on the road benefitted, at least in some places. A major reason for taxi regulation in NYC was to reduce road congestion - they calculated that adding more taxis would increase the average travel time. Now Uber has upended this. I think that pricing congestion directly would be better, but in the absence of that, this is an example of Uber hurting some citizens who are not taxi companies.
To cite road congestion as being part of the "spirit" of why taxi medallions were created leaves me with the impression of someone being disingenuous.