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To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

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Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

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post #5

Great opinion, continue to price individuals out of existence.

Isn't that kinda the point - price them out of existing on the road. Make it more cost-effective to work closer to home, or outside of rush hour.

I have no idea how effective it will be, or whether the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#12

Imagine how much more expensive living in LA will be. Instead of fixing their god awful public transit (like NYC) they want to punish people for using the only reliable mode of transportation?

By far the most efficient mechanism humanity has ever come up with for distributing scarce resources (such as room on freeways) are free markets. The article is 100% correct that pervasive tolls are the only effective and fair way to reduce what has become monumentally oppressive traffic congestion in LA.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#14

Imagine how much more expensive living in LA will be. Instead of fixing their god awful public transit (like NYC) they want to punish people for using the only reliable mode of transportation?

No. You are thinking about it wrong. By making it cost prohibitive for the poors to move around we will be able to concentrate their populations into designated "bottom feeder" neighborhoods allowing us to more effectively rob them of basic public services like education, healthcare, and potable water.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

#15

Imagine how much more expensive living in LA will be. Instead of fixing their god awful public transit (like NYC) they want to punish people for using the only reliable mode of transportation?

By far the most efficient mechanism humanity has ever come up with for distributing scarce resources (such as room on freeways) are free markets. The article is 100% correct that pervasive tolls are the only effective and fair way to reduce what has become monumentally oppressive traffic congestion in LA.

What is fair about those with more money getting greater access?

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you going to get people to invest in public transit without getting them out of their cars? LA is hands down the worst major metro area I've been to when it comes to transit, and getting people off the roads will only improve that situation—carpooling, public transit, biking, and hell WALKING are all better options.

LA is 35 miles long. What would the walking commute of 10 million people look like? So you're suggesting that instead of fixing the problem (public transit) they should start whipping people so that the rich can drive on their traffic-free roads?

The point of tolls is not to make roads exclusive for the wealthy. A sensible toll would be something anyone who can afford to own a car can be expected pay.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

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Imagine how much more expensive living in LA will be. Instead of fixing their god awful public transit (like NYC) they want to punish people for using the only reliable mode of transportation?

The metro isn't that bad. I commuted from Hollywood to Torrance by metro/bus daily for a few years. The metro fare cost me more than gas actually but staying off the 110 was golden.

Re: To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

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post #11
post #5

Great opinion, continue to price individuals out of existence.

Isn't that kinda the point - price them out of existing on the road . Make it more cost-effective to work closer to home, or outside of rush hour. I have no idea how effective it will be, or whether the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.

And we all know the people who can't afford to pay tolls can definitely afford the cost of moving which includes losing their likely rent-controlled apartments.
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