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Lyme Is 'All in Your Head' – A Wake-Up Call to Mental Health Professionals

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From what I know, there's no sure way of diagnosing Chronic Lyme. There is no real proof that it exist. That doesn't mean that the symptoms attributed to Chronic Lyme doesn't exist.

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/chron...

Now, attributing any symptoms like this to hypochondria should of course only be done by a licenced medical doctor. However I also think that there is a great deal of misunderstanding about hypochondria. I believe that hypochondria is quite akin to synesthesia. It's not really by choice as it affects the perception. Emotional or mental states feed back into the perception in a way that can't be distinguished from "real" perceptions. The pain is felt, not "imagined". But triggered in an unconscious way by the imagination. It might be an evolutionary artefact from developing ways to identify bodily problems in moments of distress. And when the cause of the distress is hard to identify it is attributed to something close by.

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post #30

a friend of mine spiraled into years of undiagnosed anxiety, depression and fatigue and was told by many doctors it was all in her head. a few years later she was diagnosed with lyme disease, got treatment and now has a new lease on life.

The effectiveness of placebo treatment is well documented.

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#33
I travel to Old Lyme Connecticut at least once a week. This is the town where Lyme disease was diagnosed as a separate condition for the first time.

Its also where the illness gets its name.

We have a lot of ticks.

Scientists link invasive barberry to Lyme disease:

- http://today.uconn.edu/2012/02/controlling-japanese-barberry...

The illness is definitely an imitator which is very scary. I've known people who have drooping faces which resembled a stroke / bells palsy and who eventually got the diagnoses of Lyme. I think the problem with Lyme is that its isolated, its infectious but not contagious (spreadable between humans). This appears to reduce the urgency of research. That said, the bacteria hides and destroys a person mentally and physically.

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#34

It's so frusterwting that there's a Lyme vaccine for dogs but no one will make one for humans.

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/prev/vaccine.html

> A Lyme disease vaccine is no longer available. The vaccine manufacturer discontinued production in 2002, citing insufficient consumer demand.

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post #30

a friend of mine spiraled into years of undiagnosed anxiety, depression and fatigue and was told by many doctors it was all in her head. a few years later she was diagnosed with lyme disease, got treatment and now has a new lease on life.

The effectiveness of placebo treatment is well documented.

Which raises a good? question: "Should we treat people with placebos [without their knowledge] if it might improve their lives?"

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#36
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it does, all the time. Before Diabetes was a known condition, it was considered a mental disorder. Then diabetes became widely understood, but for a short time hypoglycemia was considered a mental disorder. Nowadays, hypo and hyperglycemia that are triggered without actual blood sugar level changes, are considered a mental disorder. I know, because there is someone in my family with that last one. But if you do e…

> Before Diabetes was a known condition, it was considered a mental disorder. That's a disingenuous comparison. Lyme disease is a known condition, with empirical tests to detect it and clinically proven treatments.

> with empirical tests to detect it and clinically proven treatments

Yes, but the article is about chronic lyme which is not clinically proven AFAIK.

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post #8

This reminds me of Morgellan's disease. Insisting something is real doesn't make it real. I don't know anything... can someone share a more evidence heavy article from the same side of the argument? The medical profession doesn't just turn it's back on treatable (e.g. profitable) diseases.

When I was visiting Colonial Williamsburg they had a medical historian answering questions and the most interesting one to me was "What happened to consumption?"

The disease "consumption" was very common in colonial times, but was never really a formal disease, just a collection of symptoms. As medical science got better it got split into emphysema, pneumonia, and other more specific lung issues.

When I hear about things like Lymes disease, I wonder if we're still at the splitting apart to a more specific diagnoses stage.

One of my friends was basically living this scenario - diagnosed with Lymes disease until he had some new genetic tests done and it was determined that he conclusively had a different neurological condition.

It's hard to remember that in 50 years time they'll look back at shudder at what poor diagnostic and medical tools were available in the 2010s.

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#38

Well now I don't know who to believe.

I'd say believe the people and views supported by factual evidence, instead of appeals to emotion - I found the original article to be one long exercise in how to write things that would annoy a debate coach.

Or just remain skeptical, open-minded and curious for additional evidence towards either side.

If you don't have sufficient evidence, you don't have to believe either side.

Re: Lyme Is 'All in Your Head' – A Wake-Up Call to Mental Health Professionals

#39
After nearly 4 years of my battle with Lyme, I finally found a doctor who cured me with an essentially illegal combination of antibiotics (4x the max daily dosage of doxycycline for 18 months). In her words, this will be bad, but not nearly as bad as not treating your Lyme. I haven't had any symptoms for 3 years now and am in best health I've ever been.

Occasionally, however, I am still reminded of how ignorant our medical institutions are about this disease. Recently I switched to Kaiser and during my intake process I mentioned my chronic Lyme, at which point the MD corrected me that there's no such a thing. He explained to me that he has all those years of experience, and that he has had to correct so many people about their misconceptions about Lyme. According to him, Lyme is like fever that you treat once at a time (and no longer than 4 weeks max). After my push back, he called in their in infectious disease specialist, who repeated the same thing, word by word. They even wanted to know the name of my specialist, claiming that it was irresponsible of her to give me that treatment (I didn't share her info).

I don't doubt that these two gentlemen are doing their best to help out their patients. I also realize that some kid in their practice will unlikely be able to shatter their firm beliefs that they had acquired in their decade-long training at prestigious universities. It just makes me sad that hundreds of other kids will be less lucky than I was, and will be left alone trying to figure out what's wrong with them, because obviously it can't be Lyme.

In words of my angel doctor, Lyme is the worst curable disease out there - it's a shame we don't cure more people.

Re: Lyme Is 'All in Your Head' – A Wake-Up Call to Mental Health Professionals

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before Diabetes was a known condition, it was considered a mental disorder. That's a disingenuous comparison. Lyme disease is a known condition, with empirical tests to detect it and clinically proven treatments.

> with empirical tests to detect it and clinically proven treatments Yes, but the article is about chronic lyme which is not clinically proven AFAIK.

Right, and that's part of what makes chronic lyme so unlikely. We've got a known mechanism for lyme disease, and chronic lyme advocates try to hand-wave away the fact that that evidence of that mechanism can't be found in its alleged sufferers.
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