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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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post #10

Maybe it is just my lack of knowledge but why were all the recently leaked hacking tools made by US and none by Russia or China?

While one cannot expect editorial independence from Wikileaks, I believe the language and cultural barrier also plays an important part

Not to mention those with that access level on those countries wouldn't release any information like that "for free"

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#42

This idea that the government should somehow be exempt from proper cybersecurity ethics is disgusting. When the CIA or the NSA find zero day attacks in software, they should report them immediately to be fixed, not build tools specifically to exploit them. It's only a matter of time before these attacks either leak or are rediscovered by other malicious parties. The government is effectively turning their own people…

I think that's an absurd position. The government has a need to be able to access hostile systems. A hacked computer can avoid armed conflict where people die.

A better question is... why aren't major vendors devoting a fraction of the resources to find this stuff and fix t on their own?

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#43
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LoL why are you so naive? It's CIA, not google Zero day project

The parent isn't being naïve, they take issue with the current state of affairs and tell how they would like it to work. They're not surprised that that's not the case.

Nope, he is very naive. He calls [cyber] war "ridiculous".There is nothing ridiculous about wanting to be ahead of rivaling countries and having backdoors into their software and computers. What is however ridiculous is the attitude that we should all hug each other and make the bad people go away with love and prayer.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#45
post #5

Based on the overview alone (of course I can't read the entire report that fast!), this is exactly what I expect a spy agency would be doing -- if they were not then I would be disappointed. What exactly in the admittedly shortened list am I supposed to be upset about? It makes no distinction between US citizens and overseas parties. If these actions are being done domestically against US citizens, with no just cause…

> If these actions are being done domestically against US citizens, with no just cause sure I will get upset, but that has yet to be seen.

May I just ask, why does this distinction matter? Why do you believe the world should be divided into "people who were issued bits of paper by my overlords" and "people who weren't"?

I never understood this division in other people's heads. It leads to all sorts of philosophical problems, like for example people believing that war is ethical.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#46
I wonder if, supposing a legit war use, those tools would work. Maybe in taking down some enemy tech infra, but on collecting information, i really have doubts. That would be too much data to process unless they had specific targets. Human intelligence would be much more effective.

Anyway, I remember a story of a US submarine that hacked soviet cables in the 70s or 80s.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#48
>"As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations."

Reminds me of the reporter who was supposedly working on a massive investigation and then died in a flaming car crash while skipping town. Forgot his name

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#49

This idea that the government should somehow be exempt from proper cybersecurity ethics is disgusting. When the CIA or the NSA find zero day attacks in software, they should report them immediately to be fixed, not build tools specifically to exploit them. It's only a matter of time before these attacks either leak or are rediscovered by other malicious parties. The government is effectively turning their own people…

I think that's an absurd position. The government has a need to be able to access hostile systems. A hacked computer can avoid armed conflict where people die. A better question is... why aren't major vendors devoting a fraction of the resources to find this stuff and fix t on their own?

They're being paid by the spooks!

On a serious note, doesn't cyberwarfare sound more like it could lead to nasty consequences, such as regular warfare, rather than preventing it?

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

#50
post #5

Based on the overview alone (of course I can't read the entire report that fast!), this is exactly what I expect a spy agency would be doing -- if they were not then I would be disappointed. What exactly in the admittedly shortened list am I supposed to be upset about? It makes no distinction between US citizens and overseas parties. If these actions are being done domestically against US citizens, with no just cause…

> If these actions are being done domestically against US citizens, with no just cause sure I will get upset, but that has yet to be seen. May I just ask, why does this distinction matter? Why do you believe the world should be divided into "people who were issued bits of paper by my overlords" and "people who weren't"? I never understood this division in other people's heads. It leads to all sorts of philosophical p…

I believe that in my heart as well. However, we don't currently live in a world with a federated global government. The recent election in the US highlighted that people do divide the world into imaginary lines on maps and it had a slogan: AMERICA FIRST. It's not just the political class that sees these divisions, it's a majority of the citizens.

How would you spark a revolution in people's thinking?

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