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Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by synicalx »

cjensen wrote: post #32
redthrowaway wrote: post #22

So, progressives in SV have moved from trying to get you fired if you say something they don't like on twitter, to pressuring you to quit your job if an accusation is made against somebody at your company. Great. This couldn't possibly end poorly.

This isn't about saying something someone doesn't like. This is about unlawful behavior which, from the outside, appears to pervade the entirety of Uber.

If they've been behaving unlawfully then let the people who enforce the law deal with them. Suspicion of unlawful behaviour absolutely does not give people the right to demand that people quit their job.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by synicalx »

goseeastarwar wrote: post #40
synicalx wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? How is it insulting? So if I was a woman, you'd be ok with me going to the police and saying that you stole my wallet - even though I had zero proof of that ever happening?

A stolen wallet is just like someone putting their career on the line because of a feckless HR department. Wait, no it isn't.

Not even what I was talking about, but sure go right ahead and keep typing whatever you want.

If you get around to it, feel free to answer my actual question at any time you like.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by cjensen »

theparanoid wrote: post #38
cjensen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings. I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview. Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might no…

There's a lot of shitty jobs available and a few good ones. People don't work for companies they work for managers.

If the employer says "Irish Need Not Apply"[1] and you take a job there because you are hungry, then you are desperate. If you take a job there because you have a nicer manager than you might have elsewhere, you have no morals.

Sometimes in life you are handed an actual moral decision. Choose wisely.

Like I said, if you are employed there and want to see if management will turn it around, that's fine. But eventually if the policy remains "Women Need Not Apply," you either leave or risk never being hired by a grown up again.

[1] Or in this case, Women

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by goseeastarwar »

redthrowaway wrote: post #39
goseeastarwar wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not when you realize these aren't extraordinary claims. Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence.

>Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence. Insisting on evidence is verboten. On HN. I'm quickly growing tired of this place.

Much of this thread is people arguing this is embellished, untrue, the cost of doing business, or a conspiracy. Not to fear, I think your side of nonsense is safely represented.

* the evidence pedant corrected my spelling

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by cjensen »

synicalx wrote: post #41
cjensen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about saying something someone doesn't like. This is about unlawful behavior which, from the outside, appears to pervade the entirety of Uber.

If they've been behaving unlawfully then let the people who enforce the law deal with them. Suspicion of unlawful behaviour absolutely does not give people the right to demand that people quit their job.

> does not give people the right to demand...

People always have the right to demand things. That's literally what Free Speech is.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by synicalx »

cjensen wrote: post #31
popopobobobo wrote: post #2

Friends, it is insensible to ask me to quit without giving me a better offer elsewhere.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings. I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview. Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might no…

Surely you'd also agree that it's better not to quit if quitting means losing your house?

I'd like to see you explain your 'No Interview for Uber Alumni' policy to your boss when you pass over a perfectly qualified candidate purely because you hold a grudge against their ex-employer.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by synicalx »

cjensen wrote: post #45
synicalx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they've been behaving unlawfully then let the people who enforce the law deal with them. Suspicion of unlawful behaviour absolutely does not give people the right to demand that people quit their job.

> does not give people the right to demand... People always have the right to demand things. That's literally what Free Speech is.

I mean 'right' in a social sense, you can demand whatever the hell you want but it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to do so.

Also not everyone lives in America, and many countries don't have any constitutional protection for Freedom of Speech - my country Australia being a good example of this.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by cjensen »

synicalx wrote: post #46
cjensen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings. I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview. Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might no…

Surely you'd also agree that it's better not to quit if quitting means losing your house? I'd like to see you explain your 'No Interview for Uber Alumni' policy to your boss when you pass over a perfectly qualified candidate purely because you hold a grudge against their ex-employer.

Quitting doesn't mean losing your house. You are being silly.

If it gets to the point where I blacklist Uber employees, not only will my boss know it, but I'll probably show him the resume so we can have a laugh. We have company policies about discrimination and would never take a risk on someone who was okay with working at a company that clearly does discriminate.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by remarkEon »

cjensen wrote: post #31
popopobobobo wrote: post #2

Friends, it is insensible to ask me to quit without giving me a better offer elsewhere.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings. I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview. Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might no…

I think this is a morally bankrupt and deeply prejudicial way to evaluate potential hires.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Post by cjensen »

remarkEon wrote: post #49
cjensen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I evaluate resumes when we have openings. I can accept that an employee might want to wait to see if Uber can turn it around. I wouldn't count that against them. But if Uber fails to fix itself, then it's time to leave. If I see a resume showing work at Uber past that, there is zero chance of an interview. Better to quit without a better offer than to risk your career by staying. It's a hot job market today; might no…

I think this is a morally bankrupt and deeply prejudicial way to evaluate potential hires.

It's prejudicial and morally bankrupt to avoid people who are happy to work for a company which breaks the law in prejudicial ways?

That's not how basic logic and common sense work.

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