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Auctioneer to sell off Pink Floyd recording console

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Re: Auctioneer to sell off Pink Floyd recording console

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> technically better system Define "better". "If it sounds good, it is good." - Joe Meek

Better in technical terms; better SNR, non-destructive editing, enables remote collaboration, more versatile and flexible.

These are all amazing benefits, but when you're making art, you'll throw all of those out the window if doing so get you the sound you need.

The problem is thinking that this is either/or. I use a 48 channel ProTools HD system married to gear that's largely 40-70 years old. Best of both worlds.

Re: Auctioneer to sell off Pink Floyd recording console

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This is a profound misunderstanding. Euphony and accuracy are quite different. Euphony derives from nonlinearity. These are not cherished for their accuracy. They're built to sound good , For this reason most of the best sounding records still make very heavy use of analog signal path. I've been recording since the earliest days of DAWs. Yes you can do amazingly good things with a computer, but it is still not possib…

can I ask what is your view on the no-mixing philosophy? http://www.waterlilyacoustics.com/techspecs.htm

My view on everything related to musical art is summed up by Joe Meek:

"If it sounds good, it is good."

There is no one right way to make a record.

Re: Auctioneer to sell off Pink Floyd recording console

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> all of those phenomena can be perfectly modelled in the box Nope. How you gonna model the interaction between a microphone and the preamp load it's driving, and the compressor that's driving, and the EQ it's driving, and the nonlinear summing bus that's feeding, when all of these are interacting in a live signal chain, and all entering various forms of nonlinear behavior based on the age of components, their tolera…

This is all true, but there's a point beyond which it stops being musically/artistically relevant. I've probably been doing this stuff as long as you have, and I'm not actually sure where that point is any more. I actually hate the sound of most of the Beatles albums. I think they sound crap by modern standards - tinny, rattly, clogged-up, mid-heavy mixes with no deep bass. Put them up against a modern trance single…

> I actually hate the sound of most of the Beatles albums. I think they sound crap by modern standards - tinny, rattly, clogged-up, mid-heavy mixes with no deep bass.

Of course the whole point of bands like the Beatles was that they stood "engineering" on its head, as it was understood at the time (actual scientists wearing actual lab coats attempting to capture sound as accurately as possible).

EMI engineers making classical records were trying to create photographic style recordings. The early Beatles records sound, mostly, like you're standing at the Cavern club in front of a late-1950s sound reinforcement system. Photographic.

The Beatles helped to change the idea of making "photographic" records into making records like painting on canvas. Together with the other influential artists of the time (Beach Boys, Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfield, etc) they transformed modern music.

When yo

>Put them up against a modern trance single mixed ITB and the latter sounds huge, dynamic, cinematic, and infinitely more polished.

>Which is better? It depends...

I think you make my point here.

If I were making a Crystal Method record, of course I would use a different signal chain that if I were making a Dawes record.

That's the whole point.

Re: Auctioneer to sell off Pink Floyd recording console

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A link to the auction with amazing pictures of the details. True nerdporn. http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23878/lot/35/?category=list&...

Yeah I know....and I'm usually so anal about getting or linking to original sources. Hopefully a mod will update.

Re: Auctioneer to sell off Pink Floyd recording console

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All the console does can be done with a laptop nowadays, the nostalgic value is of course a big point in purchasing it. Still, who would aquire this monster, if not a museum? I can't see any modern recordings done with it, but solely for the goal of achieving said nostalgia. "It belongs in a museum".

This is sort of true for mixing, but definitely not for recording.

At the end of the day, you always need a mic pre. And they're often a big part of what people love about these old consoles.

On the recording side, I'd argue that a DAW is more akin to the tape machine than the console. Preamps are important, and computers don't have 'em.

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