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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by H4CK3RM4N »

malchow wrote: post #155

I never had a Mac from age 5 to age 18, despite being very interested in computers. Only PCs. Built them myself. In 2007, at the age of 20, I bought my first Mac. I've bought Macs biannually since then. I have staffed whole companies with Macs. And I too just purchased my first Windows PC in ten years. My new 2016 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar hangs on resume. Whether a USB-C connected external monitor will work or not…

Those reports were coming out at launch, but then all the fanboys took their computers in to get them replaced and they started working.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by scarface74 »

I've been an Apple fan for 30 years - from my first Apple //e, LCII with an Apple //e card, a PowerMac 6100/60 and after 8 or 9 years back to Mac with a G4 Mac Mini and a Cire Duo Mac Mini.

But since 2006, every time I look at buying a Mac laptop, I can't hit the buy button because they are more expensive than I want to pay and end up buying a Dell.

But even during that time, I've still bought multiple iPods, iPhones, and tablets.

All that being said, I can see a Mac in my future once I decide to buckle down and be a true hard core, front end developer and start using all of the stuff the cool kids use and/or an iOS developer.

But what would I buy? The Mac Mini would be good enough but I would feel bad buying outdated tech even if in day to day use I couldn't tell the difference, I don't want an all in one iMac, the laptops still either cost more than I want to spend or are underpowered (the MacBook).

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by AsyncAwait »

bobsam wrote: post #56
hossbeast wrote: post #19

Probably switching from macOs to Arch Linux soon myself

Why is arch so popular among switchers? It is not very user friendly and requires manual work to set up unlike, say, ubuntu

After the initial setup, (which BTW is extremely well documented on the wiki), Arch is actually super user friendly. Compared to Ubuntu, you always get the latest software, never have to reinstall, aur has more esoteric software and pacman is faster than apt.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by rayiner »

yulaow wrote: post #222
EduardoBautista wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People complain that Apple uses proprietary ports. They ditched MagSafe for USB-C and people still complained.

I think the magsafe was at the bottom of the list of "bad choice of proprietary ports by Apple"

MagSafe is the only proprietary port on my pre-touchbar MBP.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by interpol_p »

JBerlinsky wrote: post #474
coldtea wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a professional developer, I don't want a new toy language. First, there's nothing "toy: about Swift. It's a full featured language on par with Rust, Go, etc. Second, whether some random web dev or embedded C dev or Java dev wants Swift or not is irrelevant to its intended audience and utility. It's not for "professional developers" in general, it's for Mac/iOS application developers, and thus, for Mac/iOS users…

> First, there's nothing "toy: about Swift. It's a full featured language on par with Rust, Go, etc. A language with no promises of stability counts as a "toy" in my mind (I understand that this can be subjective, just providing my opinion). Say what you want about Objective-C, but at least Apple stuck with basic syntax decisions.

That kind of oversimplifies things. From my reading of the Swift mailing list, many things you would consider "basic syntax decisions" will have a profound impact on the stabilisation of the ABI.

Migrating is a pain, but I'll take the Swift migration pain over the maintenance of old Objective-C code any day. Even on large projects.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by overgryphon »

castle-bravo wrote: post #105
wtbob wrote: post #83

If someone wants a good development platform and is leaving the Mac, why not switch to Linux rather than Windows? Windows is IMHO not pleasant to use: the ads, the UI, the lack of speed. Linux is ad-free, pleasant & beautiful (with StumpWM anyway; Unity, GNOME & KDE aren't so great), and blazingly fast. Plus it's free software.

When I read "ads" I had to do a double-take. I find it really surprising that people are willing to tolerate an OS with built-in "malware". Is it because people simply aren't aware that there are alternatives?

There is an option to turn them off.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by bwat48 »

andreif wrote: post #142

My mother-in-law recently asked me for help with fixing her higher-level Asus laptop. It run Windows 7 and had enormous amount of malware. So I've spent a few days (incl. yesterday and today) cleaning it and upgrading to Windows 10. To say it was an awful experience is to say nothing. Rare thing works correctly. I must google each step, tying not to care about the horrific UI which is simply beyond understanding. It'…

I have a hard time believing there wasn't video drivers available for a windows pc

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by andai »

throwanem wrote: post #375
andai wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still haven't figured out how to actually open a file/folder in Finder (with the keyboard).

I hear it's Command-O.

Oh! Thanks. ⌘↓ works as well (and ⌘↑ to navigate to parent directory).

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Post by tstrimple »

hamandcheese wrote: post #101
jccalhoun wrote: post #65

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While I don't want to hijack the op's thread, I would like to hear more about the advantages of the mac. I listen to some mac-centric podcasts and hear them complain about the current state of the mac so much but when they mention windows they just say vague things like "but windows is worse." So what is better about a mac? To give more detail on my use case: I'm not a developer so things like terminal or unix don't…

> so things like terminal or unix don't really matter to me. That's really what it's all about though. Many developers prefer a unix environment. Windows is often neglected in open source, so getting up and running with a working dev environment can be a challenge. So, for many, Windows just isn't really an option. That leaves macOS as the only option that's a first class citizen in all regards -- hardware support fr…

I wonder if and how quickly this will shift with Bash shell support in Windows 10. Unfortunately, there still isn't a great terminal emulator on Windows. ConEmu looks really sad next to iTerm2.
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