Left Windows because MBP were the best laptops. Leaving Mac because of the silly decisions made around next gen MBP. No mag safe (without purchasing dongles). Removed ESC key. No, I'm not going to retrain my fingers because Apple thinks I should. Why have a touch bar when you can have a full touch screen? One of the what were they thinking ideas ever. Frankly, Windows laptops have caught up and they're more Linux friendly to boot.
Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
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> None of these things are universal among Windows machines. I can't remember which model, but a Verge review recently said that a Windows laptop had surpassed the best Mac (in terms of hardware quality). Doubtful. Apple does crazy stuff like custom ACPI for Thunderbolt controllers so they can be very efficient. Or having each of the fins on a fan be at a different angle so they have a different pitch and fan noise i…
> Doubtful. Honestly, it depends on what you're looking at. In graphics power for example ALL macs suck. Even when you spend 5000$ on a workstation you barely get something that can hold even with top-of-the-line pc hardware. MBP: 2977 - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+Pro+450... iMac: 5714 - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+R9+M395... Mac Pro: 5178 - http://www.videocardbench…
Yes I know, but anyone that needs to do heavy graphics work hasn't been Apple's target market for a long time. That really started to show when they switched to only offering a discrete GPU on the most expensive 15inch MBP.
In general I feel that no one (for now) can touch Apple in the laptop market, although half of the reason is macOS working so damn well on MacBooks. But other companies have other markets on lockdown.. Windows is best for the desktop. Linux (or BSD) for servers. Android for phones.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
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With great power comes great responsibility. If you want raw power, you can buy a car with 500 horsepower. But you handle all of that power, you'll need traction control and maybe stability control, and anti-lock brakes for when you need to stop it. But all of that limits the amount of power you have available, limits your control. Now, a race car driver would look at these driver assist tools and say "I'm sick of pe…
The thing is, you really don't need to "be stuck on the side of the road reading manpages" these days and what drives me crazy is the outdated evaluation of Linux, it's like saying, "but viruses and blue screen of death" about Windows in 2016. Does it require some adjustment? Sure, just like any new OS. If you're going to try it, I think it's fair to require you to learn its ways. If you don't want to do that, why no…
>> I am sorry if it sounded harsh, but constantly reading about novice problems I haven't had in a decade also doesn't "sound good reading".
It's not a novice problem. I know what a fsck is and I know you're not supposed to unmount filesystems improperly. But you shouldn't be presented with an error that you can't recover without a rescue USB because your system lost power.
And the video configuration issues are just weird. Monitors plug and play perfectly but all of a sudden it got so screwed up, I had to poke around quite a bit to get things back to normal. Frustrating the heck out of me because I'm used to something that just worked.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
#354Imo the Windows linux compatibility layer is a nice gesture, but there already existed stuff like Cygwin that did most of the stuff. I haven't really paid any attention to the feature set since I've only used Windows for games for past 5 years and ~6 months ago I gave up on Windows completely, but let's say it give you everything Linux gives you. You can just use rvm.io to install your ruby and then use gems to insta…
Especially for developer-types, having lots of VMs running is a thing. That takes up quite a bit of RAM, disk, and CPU. 16 GiB RAM just doesn't cut it these days.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
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It's strange that you think that's what's happening here; if anything, the comment that the grandparent was objecting to was saying not to use a race car if you don't know how to.
Plenty of people this this comment section are saying that though, and you get it in every thread about Mac vs PC. When you've got basically the entire Internet telling you "Linux is a valid choice!" and then someone says "Linux isn't broken you're just not good enough to use it"... well, that's not really going to drive Linux user adoption, is it? It's a "you're holding it wrong" moment. It's a completely ridiculous…
The issue I have with your characterization is the forced equivalence of "plenty of people in this comment section" and "basically the entire Internet" part of it. Don't get me wrong, there is definitely a segment of Linux users that vocally claim their choice is the superior one, but you could say the same thing for Mac and Windows. Given that there's no way to measure the number of Linux (or Mac or Windows) users who aren't commenting, it's a little presumptive to just assert that all Linux users are telling you your choice is wrong.
As an aside, I can't speak for other Linux users, but my goal is most certainly not to "drive Linux user adoption". If someone is interesting in learning to use Linux or wants advice about which distro to use, I would happily help them, but I actively try not to convert people who haven't expressed that interest. The reason I chimed in here is that I disagreed with the sentiment that Linux is a terrible choice. It's certainly not the right choice for most people, but there's a difference between being being niche and being bad.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
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> I wont buy a laptop without a magsafe or similar connection What about wireless charging? I see magsafe as deprecated and only Macbook air has it now.
Wireless charging is horribly inefficient...IIRC there aren't even any that go over 10W. Magsafe may be deprecated by Apple, but that's a step backwards in functionality. One cannot deny that using USB C for charging is inferior in terms of protecting the device.
How many devices did you break because they did not have a magsafe like functionality? I did not break a single one.
Magsafe is a differentiating feature of Apple with little to none daily life saving rationality for existance. Its there to be different not to be better.
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I think the gap has increased even more with Windows 10.
I can't agree here. Windows 8 was not usable as a web developer, for me. Windows 10 is something I don't mind using as my experimental box (I still use OSX for day-job tasks).
Windows 8 was worse than Windows 10 which is worse than 7. I should have specified-to me Windows 8 and 10 are both poor, both much worse than 7. To be honest, I had an EASIER time with Windows 8 (company provided laptop) than Windows 10.
Windows 7 was the pinnacle windows experience for me and it has gotten worse ever since.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is, you really don't need to "be stuck on the side of the road reading manpages" these days and what drives me crazy is the outdated evaluation of Linux, it's like saying, "but viruses and blue screen of death" about Windows in 2016. Does it require some adjustment? Sure, just like any new OS. If you're going to try it, I think it's fair to require you to learn its ways. If you don't want to do that, why no…
>> I am sorry if it sounded harsh, but constantly reading about novice problems I haven't had in a decade also doesn't "sound good reading". It's not a novice problem. I know what a fsck is and I know you're not supposed to unmount filesystems improperly. But you shouldn't be presented with an error that you can't recover without a rescue USB because your system lost power. And the video configuration issues are just…
I am not saying this didn't happen to you, but it looks like a fluke or a distro specific bug, since I specifically had power outages while running my Arch home server and haven't had to recover from USB.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
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> The UI remains a convoluted Escher'esque nightmare. Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." My elderly mother can kludge her way through both of them, more or less reliably - admittedly, with more trouble than using her phone, but not a lot more. Nothing that a tech-illiterate can reasonably use on a day-to-day basis qualif…
> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…
As a longtime user of both OS's, I think Explorer is a lot more usable than Finder and has been for years. Personal choice of course.
Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up
#360I've just switched to Mac a couple of weeks ago after over a decade of Linux as my desktop - Ubuntu and Gnome for the past 6 years or so.
I have a much better machine now (although there are nice Linux certified laptops out there) and a much nicer hardware integration with the OS (especially in terms of battery life).
But as a desktop Gnome is just as good if not better (that's a matter of taste after all), and as a Unix development machine it's sub-par compared to Linux.
I'm pretty happy with it, but I can see myself going back to Linux. But Windows - not anytime soon.