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Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#31
The Vultr plan looks like a nice option. For comparison, I recently started using Scaleway for my it's-so-cheap-why-not-try-it box.

My Scaleway box's specs:

- €2.99/month (currently $3.17 USD/month)

- 2 GB RAM

- 50 GB SSD storage

- 200 Mbits/sec of unmetered bandwidth

- data centers in Amsterdam & Paris

When I need to take hosting more seriously, I'll reevaluate. Until then, Scaleway is a damn good deal :)

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#32
post #15

Today I published an article where I've benchmarked and reviewed most "simple" cloud hosting providers (Vultr, DO, Linode, Scaleway, OVH): https://www.webstack.de/blog/e/cloud-hosting-provider-compar... Edit: I've submitted it as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13798023

It's nice but I think you need to test on more than 2 instances per provider. Things can vary _a lot_ and I think benchmarks like this should collect a lot more data. With Ansible and such it's not too difficult to set up and run a benchmark of 100 instances per provider and it's not overly expensive either. I've even seen it recommended that when starting an instance on AWS, you spawn 100 instead and take the one that performs best.

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#33
post #15

Today I published an article where I've benchmarked and reviewed most "simple" cloud hosting providers (Vultr, DO, Linode, Scaleway, OVH): https://www.webstack.de/blog/e/cloud-hosting-provider-compar... Edit: I've submitted it as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13798023

> We are really surprised how bad OVH does in this benchmark, they claim to have local RAID 10 storage, so it could be that they are throttling, since we can't imagine that there are that many "noisy neighbors" in two locations, but we can't say that for sure.

Your numbers match the numbers on vpsbenchmarks.com [1], so it probably is as bad as your test suggests.

[1] https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/trials/ovh_performance_trial_1...

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#34
post #22

I've heard somewhere that Vultr retains your stored credit card indefinitely (even after you close your account). It sounds a bit weird, that's why I avoided their services. Can someone confirm this?

Believe it or not this is actually very common. In fact a lot of people who integrate Stripe recommend this pattern. They recommend to never delete customers and cards in Stripe, instead just remove the subscription from the customer. The idea is, if the customer wants to come back and reactivate service they don't have to provide billing details again. I don't do this though. When customers cancel my startup, I dele…

This pattern can be recommended so long as there is no liability for financial information disclosure. When you're hacked and a customer who closed their account 2 years ago has their CC info used for fraudulent transactions, you just trollface and move on.

This is why I am baffled as to why the CC companies eliminated the transient number technology, which was pefect for e-commerce vendors like this. At least with those, after 3-6-12 months the number expires and no damage done when the vendor is hacked. I assume it was dropped because this technology complicated data mining.

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#35
post #33
post #15

Today I published an article where I've benchmarked and reviewed most "simple" cloud hosting providers (Vultr, DO, Linode, Scaleway, OVH): https://www.webstack.de/blog/e/cloud-hosting-provider-compar... Edit: I've submitted it as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13798023

> We are really surprised how bad OVH does in this benchmark, they claim to have local RAID 10 storage, so it could be that they are throttling, since we can't imagine that there are that many "noisy neighbors" in two locations, but we can't say that for sure. Your numbers match the numbers on vpsbenchmarks.com [1], so it probably is as bad as your test suggests. [1] https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/trials/ovh_performan…

These numbers match so accurately that I'd say they are throttled.

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#36

I don't have any experience with Vultr, nor do I know anyone who has. Honestly, I haven't heard of them before. Anyone have experience with them? I'd love to hear about it.

I ran https://precursorapp.com on Vultr in the early days. I had a setup with a few dedicated servers for the DB and load balancer, and then I would spin up and shut down application servers whenever I deployed new backend code. Infrastructure looked like: https://precursor.precursorapp.com/document/Backend-Infrastr...

I used to recommend it to everybody, but don't any longer. I had two negative experiences that made me stop recommending it.

The first is frequent restarts. Very small sample size, but both me and a friend started experiencing restarts every month or so. I don't think I got any advance warning about the restarts, but I'm not positive.

The second is that networking between instances stopped working for me in the middle of the night shortly after Vultr did an upgrade. Support wasn't able to help (though they did try) and I couldn't figure out anything on my end. I had to switch everything to AWS to get the site back online before people woke up in the morning.

I was super happy with it before those two problems, though, and the people there seemed competent and professional. I was also using FreeBSD, so it may not be as well supported as Linux (which may have contributed to the networking problem).

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#37
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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run my blog on 3 distributed instances, one of them being at Vultr. (The 2 others are DO and Scaleway.) In my experience, all 3 are very reliable: zero downtime since I started using them 8 months ago. Vultr has the nicest dashboard: it uses the noVNC HTML5 client to give you access to the console, it supports 2FA (TOTP) for authentication, etc. They give you $50 of free credit to use in the first 60 days (or did,…

Would you mind sharing the technicalities of splitting requests for your blog across 3 providers? Is the 'load balancing' part done at the DNS level?

Yes—full details at http://blog.zorinaq.com/release-of-hablog-and-new-design/ Don't forget to lower your TTL to make it work decently.

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#38
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not this is actually very common. In fact a lot of people who integrate Stripe recommend this pattern. They recommend to never delete customers and cards in Stripe, instead just remove the subscription from the customer. The idea is, if the customer wants to come back and reactivate service they don't have to provide billing details again. I don't do this though. When customers cancel my startup, I dele…

This pattern can be recommended so long as there is no liability for financial information disclosure. When you're hacked and a customer who closed their account 2 years ago has their CC info used for fraudulent transactions, you just trollface and move on. This is why I am baffled as to why the CC companies eliminated the transient number technology, which was pefect for e-commerce vendors like this. At least with t…

Note that in the case of Stripe, the site doesn't hold onto "financial information" per se - they hold onto tokens where Stripe is the holder of the information, and they can't access the card number or CVV after it's been sent to Stripe - so all fraudulent transactions would have to be requested through that Stripe account.

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#39
post #27
post #22

I've heard somewhere that Vultr retains your stored credit card indefinitely (even after you close your account). It sounds a bit weird, that's why I avoided their services. Can someone confirm this?

They do accept paypal and bitcoin, if you don't want to give them your credit card information

Last time I tried that they needed a card on file to pay with bitcoin. Sigh.

Re: Vultr introduces $2.50/month plan

#40
I'm using similar plan from Ramnode as a sandbox for 2 years already and very happy about it. Ramnode is a highly underrated hosting provider but it has the outstanding support and great features/speed/reliability. I'm not using it for production though.
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