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Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

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Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#81
Interviews are tricky, and it will be very hard for us to guess what you're missing.

In your shoes I'd hire somebody to do practice interviews with. Look either for somebody who does that for a living or, perhaps better, a product management consultant who will consult on your career.

One thought, though: it sounds like you're running from, not running toward. When I'm interviewing product managers, key characteristics include excitement for the domain and energy for the work. That's because they need to have enough enthusiasm for what they're building to get everybody else charged up too. If you're burnt out and just looking to escape, people may be spotting that.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#82

A lot of people are suggesting talking to a friend, which is good. But at your level you might consider a short engagement with an executive coach. 3 or 4 hour long sessions might give you a new attack on the problem and some ideas on how to present yourself differently.

This is a pretty good idea. I was surprised how helpful an executive coach was to talk to when you're having a work problem and you're not sure what to do. I'm not sure how to find one outside of a corporate-sponsored management coaching program, though.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#83
So there are a lot of good comments here for you to consider, a couple of things stand out.

1) You're perception of yourself and other's perception of you appears to be different. This can occur for a couple of reasons, either your resume says you're something that people don't see when you talk to them in person, or people around you are giving feedback about you that doesn't match what you believe their feedback would be.

In a company setting you can get a "360" review which is basically a survey about you that you take, people who either report to you or are your "customers" take, people who work with you take, and the people you work for (your boss and perhaps their peers). Those exercises, suitably anonymous, can be really helpful in pinning down mismatches between what you think and what others think. The bigger the gap the bigger the problem.

2) A big influence in person to person interviews can be how you take responsibility and give credit. I interviewed a guy once who was great on paper, really knew his stuff when it came to interview questions, but all of the people who interviewed him mentioned that at some point in the interview he spent some time talking about how another person at a former company "screwed him" or "had it out for him" or "sabotaged the project" Etc. Every time the project that wasn't successful was somebody else's problem. I'm sure he wanted us to see him as not the problem in past failures, but instead by blaming everyone else and not taking any of the responsibility he seemed like someone who wasn't a team player. Nobody wants to work with someone who will turn on them if the project is behind schedule.

I don't have any idea if either of those things apply to you so please don't take it personally if I got it all wrong. Good luck with your job search.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#84

I think your resume is probably more impressive than your ability to interview. Learning to be impressive on interviews is difficult. I would suggest trying out a less impressive resume so you don't lead into your interview with too much of a high standard.

Or keep the resume, since that really leads to initial screens (which he's passing), and learn how to interview better. Like other commenters mentioned, it would help to know the other positions being offered and how they compare to his current+desired positions.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#85

If you're willing to apply to another company (LocalMotion by Zipcar, San Mateo, CA), I'll give you comprehensive honest feedback on your onsite, whether or not you get the job. We're looking for more Product people.

Whats your email, sounds interesting.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#86
I work in a different job role than you but I can relate to your lengthy search. I was in a senior leadership position prior to taking about a year off. When I wanted to go back to work I did a lot of interviews. I was starting to think that I should apply for more junior positions or take a pay cut, but I went back and hit the books pretty hard and really reviewed all of the interview prep stuff for my field, like studied intently for several weeks. I lined up interviews with 3 top companies in the same week and got 2 offers, and I'm very happy with my new job. So don't give up hope, but make sure you are as well prepared as you possibly can be.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#87
What are you willing to sacrifice? I can give you an answer, but you won't like it. As an Indian man you'll be discriminated against. Period. Lots of empirical proof for that, not just job wise but in lots of other cases (dating, etc).

While folks here will give you lots of tips on the professional side, here are a few actionable things you can do to minimize racial bias:

- Change your name to an americanized version. I know someone who did this. Lots of research that proves this point: http://bit.ly/1mcsxdJ

- Take acting classes and learn to speak with no accent It wont be permanent, but you'll be able to minimize your accent for a few hours in the interview. It's akin to speaking with a fake French accent. See: http://bit.ly/2loPQwy

- Pay people to give you mock interviews and record them. Pay someone else to review the footage and give you interviewing tips.

- Improve your appearance: Bleach your hair lighter shade of brown and try to dress comfortably casual.

- Take some dating classes, learn to improve your confidence (or at least fake it for the in-person interview0.

- Improve your public speaking ability: Join a toastmasters group, get a mentor and give a few speeches.

A job interview is a bit like dating. If you're getting rejected during in-person interviews, then learn to "date better". A lot of racial biases here in SFbay are pretty rough. Even if you graduated top of your class at Stanford and had a successful exit you'll be near the bottom of the pile when it comes to dating.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#88

What are you willing to sacrifice? I can give you an answer, but you won't like it. As an Indian man you'll be discriminated against. Period. Lots of empirical proof for that, not just job wise but in lots of other cases (dating, etc). While folks here will give you lots of tips on the professional side, here are a few actionable things you can do to minimize racial bias: - Change your name to an americanized version…

>> Take acting classes and learn to speak with no accent It wont be permanent, but you'll be able to minimize your accent for a few hours in the interview. It's akin to speaking with a fake French accent.This is terrible advice. As soon as you start the job, the people who interviewed you will wonder why your accent is totally different, and it will instantly put you on the backfoot.

>>I am almost thinking of halting my job search and finding some kind of hobby to keep me occupied and keep my mind off work.This is a far better idea than just applying for jobs for the sake of it. It could be possible that you are coming across as slightly desperate in your interviews because you hate your current job so much.

Good luck

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#90
In Yodas.com we've helped hundreds of developers to discover & connect with opportunities. Even though it's not PM roles we gained enough experience that I think would be helpful here.

I'm happy to jump on a call to learn more and give you honest feedback that would hopefully be helpful.

Feel free to drop me a line - nir AT yodas.com

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