The EU is not a sovereign country, its political and economic union. The US is under no obligation to accept all 28-member countries as equal.
No-one claimed it was! It's hardball negotiation. In this, the US meets the EU's demands or it doesn't get what it wants.
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Are you serious? It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis.
> It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis. If that is indeed the real reason, it means we as a species have hilariously overblown reactions to perceived threats.
If you take 30 million people from African Muslim majority nations and drop them into France in the next few decades, would the French culture remain unchanged? No, it would change dramatically. The people of France would react as you'd expect to the notion of that cultural change. The people of France - in my opinion - largely believe their culture works, that it is very valuable, that it is beneficial to their quality of life. Why would they want to see it change substantially? There will be something like a billion plus more people living in Africa and the Middle East in just the next 25 or 30 years, while the population of Europe contracts. Europeans have one of two choices to make in that time: heavily lock down immigration, or allow vast cultural change (and I'm sure it'll vary widely from nation to nation what occurs).
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I'm not right-wing by any stretch of the imagination (pretty hard left, actually), so the fact that instead of actually thinking about my arguments you just slap a label on them and dismiss them out of hand should disturb you. Perhaps what's confusing to you is that I'm capable of considering the thought process of people I disagree with. > Point me to a recording where Schulz said anything like that. You understand…
> That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. o_O X = "Israel" Y = "EU" A senior $X politician 'has literally no reason to lie' about $Y support for $X!?
Calling out your supporters, when being a supporter is politically contested, isn't a good idea. If Burg was lying, he'd be better off saying that Schulz doesn't give a shit about Israel.
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The EU is composed of seven major institutions, only one of which has direct representation by voters (the EU parliament), and the number of representatives of each country is (roughly) proportional to their size, so any given voter of a small EU country has effectively zero representation. The EU is very far from a democratic, representative system, and yet it hold tremendous power over its 'constituents.' Not to me…
So that is why everybody wants to move to Europe and feel safe there? It is like a magnet. Not only for economy but for safety too. The EU is established to prevent wars and to keep peace. What heaven is there out of EU? The USA where they shoot you during a police raid or Russia where they shoot you for being an opposition leader or Russia and Turkey where they put your buisness in jail for not supporting the leader…
New Canastralialand is a pretty good destination. Lots of water in the way though, so impoverished refugees can't get there.
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I object to this. > European leaders have been importing millions They have not imported millions. > incredibly violent, theocratic, illiterate, and regressive regions This is aggressive against millions of people. > European politicians don't seem to give much of a shit about Europeans This is hate speech.
IOM and UNHCR estimated 1 million refugees back in December 2015. More since then. > This is aggressive against millions of people. Not sure how. You can describe it however you like, but that won't change the fact that it's true. > This is hate speech. Criticizing European politicians is hate speech? Interesting. (Side note: this is why people don't like "hate speech" laws. A surprising number of people think "hate…
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I object to this. > European leaders have been importing millions They have not imported millions. > incredibly violent, theocratic, illiterate, and regressive regions This is aggressive against millions of people. > European politicians don't seem to give much of a shit about Europeans This is hate speech.
IOM and UNHCR estimated 1 million refugees back in December 2015. More since then. > This is aggressive against millions of people. Not sure how. You can describe it however you like, but that won't change the fact that it's true. > This is hate speech. Criticizing European politicians is hate speech? Interesting. (Side note: this is why people don't like "hate speech" laws. A surprising number of people think "hate…
True, but they have not been 'imported' by politicians. These people fled from the war in Syria. Germany has a right for these people to ask for asylum in its constitution. Unlimited.
> Criticizing European politicians is hate speech
Claiming that European politicians give a shit (his words) about their citizens is not 'criticizing' anything. It's just hate speech against politicians.
I don't agree with Merkel in many things, but I'm pretty sure that she cares a lot about Germans. Practically every German politician does.
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> You understand that not everything politicians say is recorded? That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. So all you have is that? Let's sum it up: there is no recording of that, there are no witnesses, there has been no transcript, Schulz himself has never acknowledged it, there are no other sources where Schulz has said anything like that, ... All you have is a sentence which is circulating in ri…
So what you're saying is that a direct claim from a high-ranking Israeli politician about a conversation he had, with no apparent benefit to lying about its contents, is not enough? > right-wing groups Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, is a "right wing group"? > What does it have to do with Martin Schulz? I feel like I'm chatting with a bot; do you remember the course of our conversation? Yes, Schulz has been wor…
Exactly. Random people can claim anything. There is no credible source and Schulz never said anything like that on record.
You might want to listen to what Schulz actually says.
> Haaretz, a liberal Israeli newspaper, is a "right wing group"?
Repeated only by right-wing groups.
> he also, apparently, has had strong interests outside the EU for as well.
which ones?
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> That said, Burg has literally no reason to lie about this. o_O X = "Israel" Y = "EU" A senior $X politician 'has literally no reason to lie' about $Y support for $X!?
Burg's comments put Schultz's ability to support pro-Israeli policies at risk; if he's known to be an ardent supporter of Israel for ideological reasons (to the exclusion of concern for Germany), people will be more critical of his motivations when it comes time to e.g. send military aid to Israel. Calling out your supporters, when being a supporter is politically contested, isn't a good idea. If Burg was lying, he'd…
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[Citation Needed] I realize there are some folks with their head in the sand, but I've never once met someone who actually believed that and I'm not even coastal.
Come to Texas you can meet someone every day if you like.