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The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by jamiek88 »

pzh wrote: post #100
cplanas wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In another comment section (Reddit, I believe) there was anecdotal evidence that visitors from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania regularly outstayed their visas and were notorious for violating a tourist visa, hence the additional checks the US wanted to put them through. I guess it was anecdotal evidence, because the data shows the contrary: - Bulgaria: 1.74% - Croatia: 1.08% - Cyprus: 1.35% - Poland:…

Using the visa refusal rate as an excuse sounds a bit like circular logic: "We're not going to give you online rubber-stamped visas, because we're currently not giving you many visas." I'm not saying that the refusals don't have merit, but since they are discretionary, the refusal rate may never improve. It's just the perception: "Those Eastern-Europeans seem dodgy to me, so we won't allow them because they'll surely…

Or do they have low levels of overstay because they are strict on visas in the first place?

Its circular indeed.

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Post by _delirium »

vanattab wrote: post #51
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

From 2013 http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20130910IPR1...

That seems more like the initiation of the current process. They adopted rules in 2013 requiring reciprocity and specifying a series of steps to take if there isn't any, with revocation of visa-free travel to the EU an option as a "last resort". The vote today is claiming that those other steps have been tried and failed regarding the U.S. (unlike with some other countries, like Canada, where progress was made), and therefore advocates taking up that last resort, which was authorized in 2013 but has never yet been invoked. I do agree that there is a good chance the EU Commission will attempt to avoid doing so, though.

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Post by dang »

lispm wrote: post #72

> Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for this. Most people in Europe are not dumb enough to fall for your nonsense. > and yes, it's a real quote It isn't. > I'm not even European I am.

> dumb enough to fall for your nonsense

You can't comment like this here, so please don't. Yes, the GP started it with the 'dumb enough', but the 'your nonsense' clearly crosses into personal incivility and we ban accounts that do that.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13786872 and marked it off-topic.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by jamiek88 »

mi100hael wrote: post #83
pklausler wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely the U.S.A. (a 1776 result of the scientific Enlightenment responsible for every single improvement to human life, assuming that you don't want to be a disease-ridden illiterate peasant lucky to make it to your 30's) meets any reasonable categorization of a nation-state. 46% of Americans believe that humans were created in their current form sometime in the last 10,000 years by a Bronze Age deity fond of stonin…

[Citation Needed] I realize there are some folks with their head in the sand, but I've never once met someone who actually believed that and I'm not even coastal.

Come to Texas you can meet someone every day if you like.

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Post by [deleted] »

blibble wrote: post #59
sleavey wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me to go on vacation to the US, as a European citizen (outside of the 6 countries that are the reason for this action), I just need to get an ESTA for $15 or so. I guess the EU visa will cost something similar. It's not going to change anything.

the EU is already introducing a similar system to the ESTA regardless: http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/brussels-prepares-eu-wide-sc... (doesn't apply to Ireland or the UK) they're proposing requiring full visas for US citizens if the US doesn't comply, the sort where you have to book an appointment with the consulate for an interview and pay several hundred dollars.

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Post by bbcbasic »

maho wrote: post #84
metachris wrote: post #4

The reason being that the US still requires visas from 5 EU countries: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania. And "The EU says it notified the United States in April 2014 that it was not meeting EU visa rules, and had given the country two years to comply."

You are forgetting the "Visa Waiver Program". Essentially, the rest of us Europeans are required to fill out detailed forms, pay a fee for filling out those forms, and then get a government-issued authorization for "visa free" travel. Right.

The Australia visa free travel is pretty nice by comparison (last time I used it 2009). It was free and just filled in a quick form online.

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Post by muninn_ »

clock_tower wrote: post #111
muninn_ wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Americans are just Americans. Only people who are incredibly pedantic think otherwise.

Pedantic or Latin American, in my experience; it's not much fun to be forgotten, and I feel their frustration but can't think of a very good solution. "US-American" doesn't really roll off the tongue... Maybe the US could adopt the same ethnonymn as Usa, Japan? :P

Why though? Like what's wrong with being Brazilian or Chilean??

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Post by Exofunctor »

ascorbic wrote: post #89
Exofunctor wrote: post #58

> What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this. I honestly can't imagine how you could avoid exposure to any of the incredible amount of discontent in Europe right now. European leaders have been importing millions(!) of people from incredibly violent, theocratic, illiterate, and regressive regions, to the detriment of peaceful, secular, educated, and liberal Europeans wh…

> I'm not even European Now there's a surprise.

What are you implying? That I need to live in the EU to have knowledge of EU politics?

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Post by vacri »

nas wrote: post #29
harigov wrote: post #6

What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

I don't buy this theory 100% but I think Mark is on the right track: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/18/mark_blyth... The top 1% have been extremely successful in funneling wealth to themselves. The middle and lower classes are getting pissed off. They perhaps don't know exactly how to fight back so they are just smashing shit at random.

This is pretty much it. In the UK, despite the folks in The City funneling that wealth to themselves, the finance industry provides 35% of the British GDP. By fucking them over (whether or not they deserve it), the poor who rely on a lot of welfare have fucked themselves over in the long run.

And over in the US, they've elected a man president who is so boorish that if he ever gives a speech that isn't laden with idle insults and self-aggrandisement, that pundits talk about how presidential and statesmanlike it is.

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