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System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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I see that they're releasing a new laptop: https://system76.com/laptops/galago This is probably the first laptop from them that I could consider buying, judging solely on that small picture of it. Still super-thick, and I don't know if I would feel comfortable buying that over the XPS, but at least it's got HiDPI, which for the price they sell their laptops for I feel should be included.

That's a beautiful ad!

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Ordered a 1U from them. Going on a month now with no delivery date yet and no indications there would be a problem until after we ordered. Not a big deal for us, we can wait and ordered it because it was cheap, but consider yourselves warned.

I had a pretty crappy experience buying from them in 2007. At that time I think they were just getting started, so I chalked it up to "beginner's mistake", but it seems like these problems persist. My data-point, as best I can recall: - ordered a serval laptop - long delays with minimal communication - laptop arrived and motherboard died within a few days After sending it back for repairs and haggling over the warran…

I also ordered from them in 2007, but I had a good experience. I was ordering a server (tower form factor), which would be easier than a laptop. IIRC, they were out of the particular CPU I had ordered, so they replaced it with a better one (one of the first dual-core chips) for the same price. That system ran very well, in a musty basement, for a number of years. I recently used the case—an Intel server model—to house a gaming rig.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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I got Lemur 14" laptop a while back and absolutely hated the build quality. The keyboard is terrible and the screen has the worst viewing angles of any laptop I've ever owned. I got tired of it after 4 or 5 months and converted it to a home server and it's been super reliable in that mode since 2014. AND it also has the benefit of staying online during power outages.

I'm surprised to see all the negative comments about the build quality and support. I got a Gazelle laptop over a year ago and I've been happy with it so far. For the price, the hardware was a bit better than Dell and others. My computer shipped with a screw loose inside the case which shorted the motherboard a few times. It didn't cause any permanent damage but it was a little disappointing. I chalked it up to a fre…

"I'm surprised to see all the negative comments about the build quality and support." and "My computer shipped with a screw loose inside the case which shorted the motherboard a few times."

And you're still surprised? :D

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Christie covers the argument for proprietary ISA's in this discussion: https://research.cs.wisc.edu/multifacet/papers/ieeemicro16_c... It not the ISA that makes it desirable. It's all the tooling, apps, branding, and talent around it. You have to rebuild that stuff for new ISA's. You also have to get the market to trust a new one after so many perished. That is why companies pay ARM $1-15 million for licenses to use…

Since we're talking about servers, it doesn't seem like any of those are advantages for ARM compared to x86 .

It's apples to oranges. ARM is designed to be customizable with all kinds of pluggible accelerators and stuff. x86 is what Intel decides it is. I heard they followed AMD in building a semi-custom business but with who knows what limitations or costs. So, you get a lightweight, easy-to-customize SOC with huge ecosystem for both software and hardware accelerators.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Out of curiosity, where do you go for pre-built Debian systems, or completely OS-less systems? I would think that merely having the promise of Ubuntu support out of the box would make it better to install Debian, than on some random Windows machine.

> Out of curiosity, where do you go for pre-built Debian systems, or completely OS-less systems? I've been pretty happy with Zareason so far, although these days one does often have to contact them ahead of time to be sure Debian will run fine. > I would think that merely having the promise of Ubuntu support out of the box would make it better to install Debian, than on some random Windows machine. I'd have thought s…

Makes sense. System76 will make Linux work, but not blob-free Linux. Which makes it no better than Windows for you. It's not "harder" or "easier" per se, but having Ubuntu guarantees nothing over Windows.

I often forget that other people have different use cases than myself. Thanks for the insight :)

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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ARM was never particularly power-efficient. ARM was designed for low power, not power efficiency. The only case where an ARM core is more power efficient than a Xeon core is when they're both idle -- primarily because the ARM core was designed to be idle most of the time, while the Xeon core was designed to be in use most of the time.

ARM the architecture has very little to do with power efficiency as it is out of scope (except that the old the ARM 32bit instruction set was amenable for a very low power implementation). ARM the company does design both low power and power efficient implementations of the ARM architecture. In fact for some specific power targets (mobile for example) they are more efficient than the corresponding Intel CPUs. This is…

> In fact for some specific power targets (mobile for example) they are more efficient than the corresponding Intel CPUs.

I agree, but only if the measurement of power efficiency includes idle periods -- eg. "browse for 5 minutes, lock phone and wait 30 minutes, repeat".

I don't believe you can provide a source showing an ARM CPU executing a particular workload (i.e. not including idle periods) at greater power efficiency than a same-generation Intel x86 CPU.

Re: System76 launching ARM Pro server with 96 cores up to 1TB ECC RAM and 32TB storage

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Ordered a 1U from them. Going on a month now with no delivery date yet and no indications there would be a problem until after we ordered. Not a big deal for us, we can wait and ordered it because it was cheap, but consider yourselves warned.

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Ordered my laptop in 2012 and couldn't be happier. Still using it today.
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