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Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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I had an experience with solitary confinement and I was tormented by it. The memories don't effect me much anymore and I now can write about it.

It resulted from a mental break down, causing an arrest which was not justified legally but the officer at the scene was annoyed by me. The charge were eventually dismissed but still haunts me like it would for any person.

I'm transgender which is related to the situation; at the time I had troubles communicating what I was going through and an attempt at failing 'x' which caused a wreck. Luckily nobody other than me was injured physically or mentally by the wreck.

I was told by other officers & firemen, "I would not be arrested as I had done nothing illegal" but the leading male officer decided to arrest me regardless and I ended up in the place for mentally ill criminals.

I either pissed off the officer by asking to speak to the female officer instead when questioned or he had something against me by how I looked.

I've never had a mental illness or have been diagnosed with any mental illness or even depression but I somehow ended up on haldol for schizophrenia which was shortly decided a day after the arrest without seeing any medical professional qualified for making such a diagnosis which needs 6 months observation anyway.

It all happened in Texas, almost ruined my life and has influenced other events in my life by negligence of others not understanding; leading to discrimination with other things by negligence.

I'm trying to pursue some justice for connections to what I've experienced resulting from negligence of others, so I can sleep better but let me now get on to the solitary confinement story.

The solitary confinement I was put in (while stripped of all clothes) had a button/speaker system to an supervising law enforcement person.

None of the law enforcement in charge of watching would make any indication to sympathy and would say things which would escalate any grief a person communicated even if it was a sane request.

Talking by button/speaker you would hear short responses made to sound annoyed and I was told to "get used to this as how am I going to survive when I go to prison" which to this day I cannot understand how messed up a person must be to feel the need to say something like that to a person in the situation I was in.

The confinement smelled similar to bleach or some really strong chemical odor, it would make my throat dry and people would be screaming for water. Other inmates in solitary confinement would scream they are Lucifer or that they are on true crime TV with nonsense stuff.

There were bars on the floor forming a 2 by 2 square for #1 or #2. Meals would consist of a paper bag containing an apple past it's prime, a milk carton, chips/pretzels and a small sandwich of tuna.

So you're stuck in this small space with a camera watching you and no clothes. Eventually I became anxious where I needed to know the time and ended up annoying the guard on duty by repetitively asking for it. I only had to stay in there for close to 2 days, until my lawyer managed to come and get me out of there. Bail was set at 50k which luckily I have parents that paid for it and it was returned to them after the dismissal.

Anyway I think it's reasonable for a person to prefer death when experiencing solitary confinement because I would have preferred death to that experience.

I really do enjoy life though but going through that was just wow.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

#32
post #17

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I would tend to agree with both comments but I think it's because we don't know what we're talking about. We all have experienced being in a closed space with people we don't know or like, but we usually have never experienced complete isolation for extended periods of time. I need lots of time alone, but being absolutely alone for two weeks and having zero interaction with anyone or even an animal or a plant? That's…

That could be. I am even pondering a self-experiment where I'd spend some time in complete isolation. But I don't think I have the guts to do it without an option to abort at any moment. And the very presence of such option would probably make the experience very different to that of a prisoner.

I have sailed across the Atlantic, alone, in a small (9.3m) yacht. 29 days alone with nothing much to see except what is close by (the sea, is.. unchanging, but ever changing). The solitude did not bother me though others have said it would bother them, but then I was more or less in control of my destiny. I had no option to abort (technically, I guess I could have called a ship on the radio and claimed an emergency). My food and water ration was limited but under my own control. I did speak to other vessels on the radio now and again (every few days) which may be comparable to shouting down the toilet at your neighbours.

I don't think it would be in any way similar to being in solitary confinement in a prison.

I don't really know if I would manage OK in solitary or not. On the face of it, it sounds like nothing much.. but there are a whole lot of other things relating to the environment and the people who end up there that would be relevant and which just don't apply to me.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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post #8

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Do these people not think about how cruel solitary confinement is? According to the article: "Researchers believe it damages the body and brain as well, but they can't test this hypothesis, because what we do to prisoners every day—house them in prolonged isolation—is illegal to do to laboratory animals. It is against the law to treat rats the way we treat people in solitary." Yup. That's right. Illegal for lab rats.…

There is a minority of criminals who have serious mental problems and who are likely to commit crime again as soon as they are out. Are you confortable with that?

Completely. But pre-existing (or developed, since some don't turn up until one's 20's) mental health problems are a bit different now, aren't they?

I'm not comfortable with these folks being in prison before they've had proper mental health care, honestly. Most folks with mental disorders are OK once they are stable with medication and sometimes need support to make sure they take such medication. We should more likely require by court order they stay their course and continue to receive proper help than try solitary first. This is how you treat the same folks as neighbors.

If this fails, prison is still not the proper environment - a live-in mental health hospital is much more appropriate.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do these people not think about how cruel solitary confinement is? According to the article: "Researchers believe it damages the body and brain as well, but they can't test this hypothesis, because what we do to prisoners every day—house them in prolonged isolation—is illegal to do to laboratory animals. It is against the law to treat rats the way we treat people in solitary." Yup. That's right. Illegal for lab rats.…

> The entire point of the American justice system is to make people suffer... It's interesting that the comparitively religious-leaning US has a more punishment-centric penal system, whereas the comparatively secular Europe leans towards rehabilitation. Considering the "vengeance is mine" thing and the Christian forgiveness thing you would have thought it would be the other way around.

That bit has always surprised me - not just in the prison systems, but things like a safety net and healthcare for the poor.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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On the intellectual level I have absolutely no reason to doubt the scientific evidence or the countless accounts of people who were subjected to solitary imprisonment and describe it as torture and worst thing that ever happened to them. I remember a documentary (probably NatGeo's "America's hardest prisons") episode where a violent and seemingly fearless thug was reduced to a crying baby by 2 weeks of solitary confi…

I kinda get where you're coming from. Just to preface this, I agree that the practice of solitary confinement in prison is basically tantamount to torture and should be legally prohibited or severely restricted and regulated. That out of the way...

For me it might come down to the details of solitary confinement. From the sounds of it, I probably wouldn't want to be in the kind of solitary confinement that's imposed in prison. But if I had access to books (say, public library loans by mail), I too, emotionally, have a preference for solitary, even though I rationally think the evidence suggests I would be driven insane.

It's rather unsettling TBH. Are you a particularly introverted person (in the Myers-Briggs sense of the word)?

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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post #7

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> The entire point of the American justice system is to make people suffer... It's interesting that the comparitively religious-leaning US has a more punishment-centric penal system, whereas the comparatively secular Europe leans towards rehabilitation. Considering the "vengeance is mine" thing and the Christian forgiveness thing you would have thought it would be the other way around.

I was raised Catholic•, in Ireland. The entire narrative is built around the idea of going to heaven while ~all the bad people~ burn forever elsewhere. From what I can see, in the context of the church, "Forgiveness" is a means of keeping control over people who feel guilty/scared. So, I'm not surprised by the comparison you noticed. • Disclaimer: Clearly, I'm still more than a little bitter about it.

The book of Revelations includes a part where the "elect" call out for the blood of the sinners.

And Nietzsche references church fathers rejoicing at a similar thought.

Tangentially, Genealogy of Morals is a good resource for wrapping one's head around these kinds of barbarities.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do these people not think about how cruel solitary confinement is? According to the article: "Researchers believe it damages the body and brain as well, but they can't test this hypothesis, because what we do to prisoners every day—house them in prolonged isolation—is illegal to do to laboratory animals. It is against the law to treat rats the way we treat people in solitary." Yup. That's right. Illegal for lab rats.…

> The entire point of the American justice system is to make people suffer... It's interesting that the comparitively religious-leaning US has a more punishment-centric penal system, whereas the comparatively secular Europe leans towards rehabilitation. Considering the "vengeance is mine" thing and the Christian forgiveness thing you would have thought it would be the other way around.

The Christian god is not exactly forgiving. If you don't behave well you will be punished for eternity and there is no way to get out of hell. So I think it makes sense for a Christian leaning country to be ok with punishment.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a minority of criminals who have serious mental problems and who are likely to commit crime again as soon as they are out. Are you confortable with that?

Completely. But pre-existing (or developed, since some don't turn up until one's 20's) mental health problems are a bit different now, aren't they? I'm not comfortable with these folks being in prison before they've had proper mental health care, honestly. Most folks with mental disorders are OK once they are stable with medication and sometimes need support to make sure they take such medication. We should more like…

> a live-in mental health hospital

Much more expensive and there are much less investors for such facilities. So it's not going to be a solution anytime soon.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

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"There are still significant variations within Europe in the maximum permissible duration for solitary confinement allowed as punishment. In Belgium, eight days is the maximum permissible duration, whereas Finland allows 14 days; Poland, England, and Wales allow 28; France and Estonia allow 45; and Ireland allows up to 60. But overall, the dangers of solitary confinement have been recognized." [1] [1] http://www.brow…

Regarding Sweden, does Breivik's prison sentence and stay (solitary confinement) constitute torture? "1 March 2017, the Court of Appeals upheld part of Brevik`s appeal that Article 3 of the convention on human rights had been breached, that he has been subjected to degrading treatment but that his solitary confinement did not violate Breivik's rights" (source: wikipedia) Or what about the solitary confinement of Gott…

Breivik's solitary confinement is also much, much different than the little rooms in the US. He has 3 rooms to move around in. He can cook for himself, play instruments, has exercise equipment. He has a computer, though I think his internet access is limited to nil. He has medical and mental health care at his disposal. He can have visitors, though they are through glass.

They made an exception to that glass before his mother died - he was allowed direct physical contact with his mother.

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure he can earn his way outside of solitary. And theoretically, he'll wind up getting released. I've heard it is possible to label him a threat to society, in which case he's more likely to wind up in a mental institution at that point - but it really depends on what he does in the next 10 years or so.

Re: Buried Alive: Stories from Inside Solitary Confinement

#40

> the federal government and about half of the states in the country began restricting their use of solitary. These efforts gained bipartisan support for economical, not compassionate, reasons That is the most telling line about how the Government thinks. Do these people not think about how cruel solitary confinement is? The best way to make people understand these cruel practices is to imagine themselves in solitary…

I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but:

    > Do these people not think 
    > about how cruel solitary   
    > confinement is?
If it was effective, and its use wasn't at a guard's whim, I wouldn't really care.

But it's not effective, and there doesn't appear to be proper oversight, and that's what upsets me.

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