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Apple’s Devices Lose Luster in American Classrooms

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Re: Apple’s Devices Lose Luster in American Classrooms

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I remember the huge push when the iPad came out and all the talk about how it would replace textbooks and exercise books. It could only be because school administrators were won-over by the engaging user-experience - completely overlooking practicalities - back in 2010 even into 2014 iOS lacked decent enterprise-management tools that would enable staff to lock devices down as they're obvious distraction devices - thi…

As a middle-school student in the early 2000s, I helped part-time with IT at a Mac-only school. Macintoshes, iMacs, eMacs. People were less familiar with Macs than PCs, but from an IT perspective, it was heaven. There were only a few models, they were reliable, and everything "just worked" together. The most common snag was attempting to get floppies to work with people's PCs from home. Sad to see the Apple desktops…

>Sad to see the Apple desktops gone.

Nobody goes to the Apple Stores anymore, they're too crowded.

Re: Apple’s Devices Lose Luster in American Classrooms

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> Also, where do you live/teach? "Year 7" I'm in Australia. Nationally we are transitioning to a R-6 = Primary School, 7-12 = High School model. My school is a little unorthodox. We're a private school with a 6-12 shared campus which is why I had experience teaching younger students even though I am HS trained. > What to your mind would not be rubbish? Either Mac or PC is fine in my books. Anything that allows them t…

> install a hex editor > I don't think that's possible on a Chromebook. First google result for "web hex editor": https://hexed.it/ Took me 10 seconds to open, including googling for it.

That relies on a Node.js back-end... don't think it's possible to install it onto a Chromebook. You'd have to have to go to the web page.

If you have any experience with a large class of children, I'll bet you can guess how long most will be patient sitting in front of a web browser at school without thinking about loading another page.

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I'm running a coding class right now that is almost entirely run over ssh on chromebooks to a linux server. Works beautifully. No fancy IDE, but lots of actual learning to code.

I have never used chromeOS, does it have a terminal or is there some sort of ssh as a service?

There's a chrome extension by Google that provides a supported way to ssh on ChromeOS, from the device. There's limited support for SSH keys built in, and there's also a mosh extension.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec...

(It's pretty easy to enable developer mode in order to allow unsigned code to run, and then Ubuntu/other Linux can run it in a chroot, though education/corporate deployments can/should prohibit that by policy, so isn't relevant to the larger discussion, though it means personal ChromeOS laptops can be quite functional.)

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I have never used chromeOS, does it have a terminal or is there some sort of ssh as a service?

It has a built in terminal called crosh, which might have an SSH client built in (I'm not sure). What most people do is download a chrome extension like Secure Shell[1] that lets you ssh from a tab. [1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhec...

Sadly, ssh was removed from crosh just recently.

    crosh> ssh
    The 'ssh' command has been removed.  Please install the official SSH extension:
  
  https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo
    crosh>

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Please describe your PURE Chromebook setup to take the Udacity Web Development Course. Also is there a PURE Chromebook (or Chromebook+Android apps) setup to take an Udacity Android course?

Apparently ChromeOS devices are so useful that everyone has to force developer mode with Crouton to make use of them. Never got the point of a browser based OS.

A browser only OS isn't for everyone, but it does work well for the many people who literally never use anything other than their browser. If you know someone who never uses office applications and is always ending up with three layers of malware, a chromebook might be good for them. Video chat is a bit iffy too, if you don't care for google hangouts.

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I'm a HS teacher. I was so happy when my school finally phased out iPads as the designated device for our year 7 students. It's such a rubbish device for content creation. The touchscreen is a POS for anything other than web browsing and casual games. Teaching coding, image manipulation, file manipulation was utterly painful or impossible. Typing on them is beyond painful and of the hundreds of students I taught, few…

You're probably right about the schools, but I want to disagree with you about content creation in general. I'm using my iPad for painting, writing, video creation every day. It is extremely useful and convenient for my purposes. It has a specific niche, and might not be for everyone, but I very often prefer it for specific tasks. At this point, writing(in Editorial) for me is pretty much as convenient as writing on…

Fiction writing on touch screen keyboard is as good as your laptop's keyboard? I can sort of understand the painting/video creation even though I don't do either. But I would guess you would be a special minority in the writing department.

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You're probably right about the schools, but I want to disagree with you about content creation in general. I'm using my iPad for painting, writing, video creation every day. It is extremely useful and convenient for my purposes. It has a specific niche, and might not be for everyone, but I very often prefer it for specific tasks. At this point, writing(in Editorial) for me is pretty much as convenient as writing on…

Fiction writing on touch screen keyboard is as good as your laptop's keyboard? I can sort of understand the painting/video creation even though I don't do either. But I would guess you would be a special minority in the writing department.

He probably has a keyboard, but students don't.

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Please describe your PURE Chromebook setup to take the Udacity Web Development Course. Also is there a PURE Chromebook (or Chromebook+Android apps) setup to take an Udacity Android course?

Apparently ChromeOS devices are so useful that everyone has to force developer mode with Crouton to make use of them. Never got the point of a browser based OS.

No, everyone does not have to force developer mode on. If you need the extra functionality then it's an option for some people. As for the point of Chrome OS, well, it's for people that don't need the bag of hurt desktop OS's provide.

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Not really. It's quite easy with Crouton installed.

Crouton is not ChromeOS.

I didn't say it was. It's an option you can explore if you need to extend the functionality of the Chromebook.
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