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Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by mrmaximus »

tonmoy wrote: post #47
rrggrr wrote: post #20

Pro tip for whistleblowers: Hire an attorney before you blow the whistle, and listen to their advice. Preferably an attorney who has litigated against your employer in the past. If you simply must write a diatribe beforehand then stick the facts of the issue at-hand (eg. discrimination) and avoid the temptation to author a tell all. Even the best future employers will be given pause upon learning of your tell all blo…

And people were asking why these women just don't sue. It seems people need to be careful and think twice even when writing a blog post let alone sue.

Short answer is that their employment contracts probably don't allow them to sue. Almost all employment contracts contain binding arbitration agreements now.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by dllthomas »

logfromblammo wrote: post #66
dllthomas wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I steadfastly refused to expect , pending more data, investigation with intent to discredit, disparage, or defame Susan Fowler. This is still unclear but I certainly agree that it is very worrying. You can bet that we'll be asking tough questions about it on Tuesday. As an aside, I believe you simply meant "cult" - "cargo cult" is specifically to do with performing actions superficially resembling things that work el…

An alternate idiom that avoids the "cult" versus "cargo cult" confusion would be "I don't know what's in their [corporate] Kool-Aid over there...". That evokes the image of Jim Jones People's Temple Jonestown mass murder-suicide, using poisoned Flavor Aid beverage mix. In a corporate context, "drinking the Kool-Aid" means to uncritically embrace the corporate culture, even if it is actually toxic. Anecdotally, compan…

Right, exactly.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by donovanm »

tonmoy wrote: post #47
rrggrr wrote: post #20

Pro tip for whistleblowers: Hire an attorney before you blow the whistle, and listen to their advice. Preferably an attorney who has litigated against your employer in the past. If you simply must write a diatribe beforehand then stick the facts of the issue at-hand (eg. discrimination) and avoid the temptation to author a tell all. Even the best future employers will be given pause upon learning of your tell all blo…

And people were asking why these women just don't sue. It seems people need to be careful and think twice even when writing a blog post let alone sue.

Sueing a gigantic company requires lots of money, courage, and could leave you a marked person. It's not that easy of a thing to do.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by eddieplan9 »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #10

I had an extended exchange with an Uber employee the other day, in which he steadfastly refused to believe that Uber was going after Fowler after the initial reports of this. Despite countless examples of this kind of behavior in the past, he kept insisting that everything was only "alleged" or "unverified." I'm not sure what kind of cargo cult they have going on over there, but it sure is effective at getting people…

Of course everyone that knows more facts on both sides of the story and draws a different conclusion is a victim of cargo cult.

Sadly, no one is willing to state the facts on the other side because they will be labeled as, cargo cult victim, if not worse. And we might lose our critical thinking skills along the way.

The media environment is partly to blame. They are chasing shiny objects that generate clicks, while leaving fact-based reporting in the backseat. There was an actual harassment case against Tesla filed in court last week by a current employee. How many stories have we seen on that?

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by acjohnson55 »

handedness wrote: post #50
alphonsegaston wrote: post #10

I had an extended exchange with an Uber employee the other day, in which he steadfastly refused to believe that Uber was going after Fowler after the initial reports of this. Despite countless examples of this kind of behavior in the past, he kept insisting that everything was only "alleged" or "unverified." I'm not sure what kind of cargo cult they have going on over there, but it sure is effective at getting people…

> I'm not sure what kind of cargo cult they have going on over there Cargo cultism has nothing to do with getting people to see past "straight up awfulness." Is Uber practicing sympathetic magic in hopes that they'll receive what they're after? And if so, after what more-technicially-advanced society are they patterning their behavior? Maybe you meant something like that (e.g., [tech figure/company] is predatory, the…

It's deeply ironic, in a sense.

You add the word "cargo" because you see other people do it and receive praise for their insight. It's almost like a superfluous landing strip...

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by gorbachev »

rrggrr wrote: post #20

Pro tip for whistleblowers: Hire an attorney before you blow the whistle, and listen to their advice. Preferably an attorney who has litigated against your employer in the past. If you simply must write a diatribe beforehand then stick the facts of the issue at-hand (eg. discrimination) and avoid the temptation to author a tell all. Even the best future employers will be given pause upon learning of your tell all blo…

That depends entirely on what your goal is.

Her goal wasn't to protect herself from an Evil Corp, but to shed light to Evil Corp's actions. She achieved that probably better than she ever expected.

Her blog post also was one of the most "rantless" posts I've ever read about events of that nature. Compare, for example, to Leah Rowe's public posts about the GNU foundation. It wasn't written because her feelings got in the way.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by employee8000 »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #10

I had an extended exchange with an Uber employee the other day, in which he steadfastly refused to believe that Uber was going after Fowler after the initial reports of this. Despite countless examples of this kind of behavior in the past, he kept insisting that everything was only "alleged" or "unverified." I'm not sure what kind of cargo cult they have going on over there, but it sure is effective at getting people…

Uber employee here. I don't believe Uber would be stupid enough to investigate or disparage Susan. She is and should be untouchable. In my opinion Uber should offer her a full apology, their thanks, and "make it right" financially.

I don't think you understand the level of support Susan has at Uber. And the level of anger that her blog post erupted within Uber towards management. She has every employees' support. And thanks to her, massive changes in culture and management are going to happen. She singlehandedly changed Uber more than anyone in management would or could.

So if Uber were investigating Susan, there would be massive revolt against management, guaranteed. It would be immediate.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by raarts »

devy wrote: post #32

First off, I empathize her horrendous experiences of being harassed at Uber and applaud her courage to speak out. Susan runs a book club [1][2] and is a published author[3]. Her quick fame rising from the recent press and a 24k+ follower and the amount of product placements on her tweet feed has reminded that old saying: All Press is Good Press. [1]: https://twitter.com/susansbookclub [2]: http://www.susansbookclub.c…

Your insinuation makes no sense at all. Possible legal costs for defending herself against Uber would greatly outweigh any increased profit

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by alphonsegaston »

employee8000 wrote: post #77
alphonsegaston wrote: post #10

I had an extended exchange with an Uber employee the other day, in which he steadfastly refused to believe that Uber was going after Fowler after the initial reports of this. Despite countless examples of this kind of behavior in the past, he kept insisting that everything was only "alleged" or "unverified." I'm not sure what kind of cargo cult they have going on over there, but it sure is effective at getting people…

Uber employee here. I don't believe Uber would be stupid enough to investigate or disparage Susan. She is and should be untouchable. In my opinion Uber should offer her a full apology, their thanks, and "make it right" financially. I don't think you understand the level of support Susan has at Uber. And the level of anger that her blog post erupted within Uber towards management. She has every employees' support. And…

...but she says this is happening, so where's the revolt? I'm not sure how you can support Susan but than pick and choose what to believe about her experience, then and now with Uber. That's not support.

Re: Uber has a law firm investigating me – Susan Fowler

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Post by bharath28 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #69
hyperbovine wrote: post #27

I only regret that I have but one app to delete

just keep installing/deleting it repeatedly.

Theoretically, you can also keep allowing Push Notification permission every time you install and then delete. This will cause the number of push tokens (unique per device per install) they see to increase. There are ways to overcome this of course - they might have a routine to send silent push notifications at regular intervals to test for this and purge inactive ones or retire extremely old tokens. Just a lot of housekeeping. P.S: Not posting to incite any malicious behavior - just issues i've seen with trying to count "unique" installs for mobile apps.

Edit:typo

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