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Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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I have to wonder how useful this unlimited data plan will be in 10-15 years when you're still driving the vehicle. What are the chances Chevy is going to even have an option to upgrade the radio when the one built into the car is obsolete?

My coworker's <10yo Nissan Leaf has a now-useless remote access radio, because it depends on the 2G network that AT&T shut down. $300 for an upgraded radio, which is a lot to drop on something that didn't break.

Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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I have to wonder how useful this unlimited data plan will be in 10-15 years when you're still driving the vehicle. What are the chances Chevy is going to even have an option to upgrade the radio when the one built into the car is obsolete?

If they had offered it 10 years ago when 3G was available in most places, it would still be pretty useful today. 3G is good enough for 95% of what I use mobile data for.

Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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I don't get it, though. The article makes it seem like the primary use case is to connect your phones to the car via WiFi, so they can all use the car's 4g connection. But don't most people that can afford this already have unlimited (or close to it) data direct from the phone? Or is the data connection used by the car in some other way?

> I don't get it, though. The article makes it seem like the primary use case is to connect your phones to the car via WiFi, so they can all use the car's 4g connection.

Not sure where you got that idea, the article didn't even mention phones.

My thought would be more towards using the car's wifi for iPads and laptops. Makes total sense when I look at how my nieces and nephews use technology. They're obsessed with iPads, and thats the primary way they consume media.

Also, up until recently, one of the most expensive phone plans you could get (Verizon) didn't even offer unlimited data, and the rates are only 1/4th the price of my car lease. Even without kids, $20/mo for data usage in my car would actually make it so I could downgrade my plan and save money (lots of podcasts on my drive in to work).

Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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I don't get it, though. The article makes it seem like the primary use case is to connect your phones to the car via WiFi, so they can all use the car's 4g connection. But don't most people that can afford this already have unlimited (or close to it) data direct from the phone? Or is the data connection used by the car in some other way?

A lot of people can't afford their cars and buy with credit. Something you can't really do on phone plans. Also, this way you can add another middle man that makes money data-mining your browsing habits.

Huh? Most people in North America (who can't afford phones) lease-to-own their phones.

They pay for it in a monthly rolled up price, and at the end of their contract they own the device outright, obviously with all caveats surrounding leasing any asset.

Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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I don't get it, though. The article makes it seem like the primary use case is to connect your phones to the car via WiFi, so they can all use the car's 4g connection. But don't most people that can afford this already have unlimited (or close to it) data direct from the phone? Or is the data connection used by the car in some other way?

I think having an always-connected car would be really useful. On certain cell phone networks, such as Verizon's in the US, you cannot make a phone call and use data at the same time. I often take calls while in the car and find that I need access to critical data at the same time. I've considered adding a hot spot semi-permanently to the car just as a work around for this issue. Also keep in mind there are passenger…

Hasn't that limitation been removed with LTE, or is Verizon still unable to do simultaneous voice and data for some other reason? The Sprint 3G network had the same problem, which is one of the reasons I dropped them.

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I recently picked up a Volt which includes this OnStar 4G setup and have to say I'm extremely concerned at how quickly this "my car is on the internet" feature set is spreading. Everything is managed by OnStar through their device that's factory installed into every new Chevy vehicle. They have had security breaches and had to fix white-hat reported vulnerabilities in the past[1]. This system isn't just "4G wifi as a…

Obligatory story: I bought a Camaro when the new ones first came out (2009). I ran into some issues with the radio, found out via forums I was 3 firmware versions behind and then slowly found out car dealers were ill-prepared to be software vendors. They had no idea about the radio updates and their system showed nothing for me against my VIN. This was a common enough experience across the country that one of the coders working on the radio started giving the updates out via email. Which is how I wound up sitting in my car with two USB sticks full of C#. Put the first one in, turn the key, updates. Then open the driver's side door to reset the process (yes, seriously) and put the second USB stick in.

Before that experience I used to laugh off the idea of a weaponized mp3 file or people taking control of cars remotely. Now I think about that auto-boot USB port and the fact my driver's side door is a toggle to God-knows-what.

Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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I recently picked up a Volt which includes this OnStar 4G setup and have to say I'm extremely concerned at how quickly this "my car is on the internet" feature set is spreading. Everything is managed by OnStar through their device that's factory installed into every new Chevy vehicle. They have had security breaches and had to fix white-hat reported vulnerabilities in the past[1]. This system isn't just "4G wifi as a…

I can't find the article anymore, but around 2003 or 2004 there was an article on the NYT about law enforcement using OnStar to spy on what people are talking about in the car (on the phone, etc).

Re: Chevrolet to offer unlimited data plan with cars

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people can't afford their cars and buy with credit. Something you can't really do on phone plans. Also, this way you can add another middle man that makes money data-mining your browsing habits.

Huh? Most people in North America (who can't afford phones) lease-to-own their phones. They pay for it in a monthly rolled up price, and at the end of their contract they own the device outright, obviously with all caveats surrounding leasing any asset.

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