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Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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> I don't think it's reasonable to expect ride share companies to pay their drivers a fair wage It's always reasonable to expect companies to pay their people a fair wage.

So if you were running Uber, would you increase your prices to pay a more fair wage even if it makes you more expensive than competitors? Would you expect to stay in business if you offered a commodity like transport at 20% higher prices than competitors?

Is it a particularly ethical standpoint to say "I don't pay my driver's a fair wage, but if I did then I wouldn't make money!"?

I would rather have companies be forced to pay a reasonable minimum wage and compete by improving the service or efficiency, not just pushing the employees to work for less and less.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

#182

Forgive me if this is me being dense, but from an outsider's perspective I don't understand what makes Lyft any better than Uber. Neither company properly categorizes their drivers (as employees), both have a rather sizeable cut from fares, both depended on being basically illegal cabs--except for Uber Black, which uses licensed black car services--to get started, and neither has a financially viable business model.…

On iphone, uber's app now requires you to give it permission to see your location always, regardless of whether the app is open. With lyft, the app only needs my location while it is open. That's a huge one in my book. The day uber updated and said it had to track me 24/7 was the day I deleted it.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

#183

I often wonder what is the natural market price of these services? Basically, without massive VC money distorting everything, how much would a Lyft or Uber ride really cost? I have a feeling it would be much higher than now. Despite all the hype, true level 5 self driving is decades away. When the VC money stops, what are these companies going to do? I think the only viable option for them is Lyft Line/Uber Pool. It…

I saw one economist trying to figure out what the appropriate fare for BART should be.

Ans: Free.

One place I worked in the early 2000's gave us checks were could redeem for transit.

https://commuterbenefits.511.org/docs/faq.pdf

One thought might be to have a subsidized ride share system where employers/transit authority pays people to ride share. Impression that based on transit authorities reaction to causal car pooling is they wouldn't support it. AKA they don't want people carpooling they want them to ride busses.

Second thought of mine based on buses in San Francisco is the buses are too large and too few. More smaller buses would increase ridership and reduce trip times.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Anyone tried carpooling services like Waze pool? As an employee at google, I decided to give Waze pool a try. I live in San Jose and usually ride the google shuttle to work. During traffic, it takes about 1 hour to 1.5 hours (keep in mind Google shuttle has multiple stops). After using Waze Rider a few times, it has now become my main mode of transportation to work and back. It cost $5 (and possibly less) and you get…

Looks like we found the Google employee

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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It also helps that Europe and its cities are ... smaller.

I don't know if you're thinking about area or population, but by either metric London is bigger than any city in the US, and has a much better public transport system.

It also helps significantly that London's busses are double-decker and come more often so you don't have to wait as long for a bus you can board.

(I lived in Cambridge, MA for many years and this wasn't rare with the #1 bus)

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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It also helps that Europe and its cities are ... smaller.

I always dislike these comparisons. The truth is simply that it depends. You can't justify an unknown city having a certain quality of bus routes compared to a diverse range of tens of countries by saying "it's smaller". It'd be slower and more expensive in some parts of the UK, easier in others and in some countries I assume you'd be expected to just cycle the 6 miles.

Which ones would that be?

6 miles is 10 km, that's a nice ride but I've never heard of traffic planners that expect 10km rides.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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I have never used the any of the 3 services you describe except the bus, can you or someone else explain how the driver makes less when taking on more passengers? Surely that works in an opposite way to the bus. The more paying passengers using the bus service simultaneously, the greater the margin per vehicle. But for some reason Uber turns this on its head? Note: I am a country bumpkin who grew up in the sticks and…

> can you or someone else explain how the driver makes less when taking on more passengers? Summer Lyft driver here. As a passenger you get the option to choose to get a ride alone, just you and the lyft driver, to your destination like a taxi. This is the default option and it's the most expensive one. The new option that Uber have and Lyft is doing is pooled rides. Instead of having the Lyft car to yourself, you're…

But that doesn't explain how the driver gets less money when they pick up more pool riders?

The rates goes down when they pick up the 2nd and 3rd rider, but then at the same time they are gaining more fares. So shouldn't that make up for the rate drop? It's pretty obvious why doing pool for one rider is a huge loss, but I'm not quite sure how it is more of a loss if a 2nd or 3rd rider joins in.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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costco and mars incorporated both have long histories of ethical, sustainable practices, and a strong reputation for resisting the quality lowering death spirals that infect many consumer goods focused companies.

Costco is probably the best example that comes to mind for me to, considering the scale at which they operate and the fact that they are actually widely reputed for their ethical practices. Nonetheless I think they are an exception and, while not impossible, it would be pretty difficult to disrupt the disruptor with a business model based on being more ethical.

Costco's profits are less their subscription revenue. That tells me the space for bulk retailers in middle class areas with the type of consumers that can shell out a yearly subscription fee isn't a whole lot bigger than Costco already occupies. Costco shoppers have more money, so they can buy more economically at Costco quantities, and they have a higher expectation of service which requires a higher paid employee. Costco has effectively packaged that arrangement in a $50 fee and keeps prices competitive by selling mostly bulk quantities compared to grocery stores. Good luck trying to compete at scale while holding on to costly values that your competitors don't. Your choices are fail entirely or carve out a niche that you can keep almost exclusively.

In my mind, the mental ceiling keeping us from understanding 'Why more companies can't be like Costco' and 'What's the real value of an Uber ride sans venture capital subsidies' is a lack of understanding of the extensive properties of capital that automation is going to either push us through or bring down on us in a rain of deadly glass shards. I'm not going to wait around for the market to 'get real' and 'focus on companies with actual viable business models' though. 1) The bulk of your portfolio should already be occupied by companies that fit that mold, but 2) The practice of leveraging profitability today for gains in equity tomorrow is going to push through a few big winners consistently enough that it's not going away regardless of the overall consequences. Meanwhile we'll keep asking the same questions that ultimately amount to 'Why does capital beget capital?'

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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It also helps that Europe and its cities are ... smaller.

I don't know if you're thinking about area or population, but by either metric London is bigger than any city in the US, and has a much better public transport system.

The New York and Los Angeles metropolitan areas are larger in area than the London metropolitan area

The NY metro area is much more populous than London, and the LA metro area is very slightly less populous.

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