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Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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The key points are - CEO never blackmailed journalists - No major revelations of sexual harassment - ~~No major revelations of political support~~ Related to core business - Surge Limit has prevented complaints about emergency pricing vs Uber. - Lyft takes a lower commission capped at 20%/25% - Lyft has in app digital tipping (drivers keep 100% of tips). Uber's tip policy encourages cash, which is an often cited comp…

the in app tipping that lyft provides is what seals the deal for me. the drivers are performing a service for me and having an integrated way to enhance their compensation is really nice. a lot of the drivers have a hard time making a good living especially considering vehicle related costs are all on their shoulders. I'm happy to have a 1-click way to give them a bit extra. I've never understood why uber doesn't let…

Counterpoint: one of the reasons I prefer Uber is that it doesn't allow or encourage in-app tipping. Tipping sucks, is economically dysfunctional, and socially awkward. If the drivers aren't making enough from base fares then the fares need to go up - it's not my job to be a charity.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Forgive me if this is me being dense, but from an outsider's perspective I don't understand what makes Lyft any better than Uber. Neither company properly categorizes their drivers (as employees), both have a rather sizeable cut from fares, both depended on being basically illegal cabs--except for Uber Black, which uses licensed black car services--to get started, and neither has a financially viable business model.…

It's not—and anyone who says that it is is deluding themselves. I think we've reached the point where ridesharing apps are 100% a commodity: there's no real product differentiation, so I'll choose based on price and how long it'll take the car to arrive. Lyft drivers seem 'happier,' but that hasn't translated into anything significantly different for me in terms of ride quality. This won't be a popular opinion, but I…

There are some flaws in your assumptions. You assume everyone that drives has the same license and that driving requires little skill. Some speciality driving requires skills. These drivers have to have Class A CDL licenses and have to pass training. I highly doubt automated vechiles will obselete every driving job that requires a CDL license in the next 5 years. Eventually? Quite possibly. But in 5 years? Most likely no.

I'm not claiming every Uber / Lyft driver has a CDL license (most probably don't). But to claim driving requires no special skill is false. There are certain situations that require very specialized driving skills.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Forgive me if this is me being dense, but from an outsider's perspective I don't understand what makes Lyft any better than Uber. Neither company properly categorizes their drivers (as employees), both have a rather sizeable cut from fares, both depended on being basically illegal cabs--except for Uber Black, which uses licensed black car services--to get started, and neither has a financially viable business model.…

It's not—and anyone who says that it is is deluding themselves. I think we've reached the point where ridesharing apps are 100% a commodity: there's no real product differentiation, so I'll choose based on price and how long it'll take the car to arrive. Lyft drivers seem 'happier,' but that hasn't translated into anything significantly different for me in terms of ride quality. This won't be a popular opinion, but I…

> “Are there no prisons?” said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. “Are there no workhouses?”

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Forgive me if this is me being dense, but from an outsider's perspective I don't understand what makes Lyft any better than Uber. Neither company properly categorizes their drivers (as employees), both have a rather sizeable cut from fares, both depended on being basically illegal cabs--except for Uber Black, which uses licensed black car services--to get started, and neither has a financially viable business model.…

It's not—and anyone who says that it is is deluding themselves. I think we've reached the point where ridesharing apps are 100% a commodity: there's no real product differentiation, so I'll choose based on price and how long it'll take the car to arrive. Lyft drivers seem 'happier,' but that hasn't translated into anything significantly different for me in terms of ride quality. This won't be a popular opinion, but I…

> drivers who are happy are the ones who recognize this and do it to make some extra cash in their spare time after a 'real' job; the ones who are upset are trying to make their living driving.

This is also Uber's supposed mentality, but you are wrong and Uber is misleading the public.

If a part time job is profitable, then doing it full time would also be profitable. The biggest lie in their marketing campaign is their claim that Uber is about ride sharing, but that's serious bullshit meant for fooling drivers and legislators, because the driver cannot control the passengers' destination and they take a pay cut when rejecting orders.

You see, the drivers that are upset are those that have done the math and realize that they cannot cover the maintenance costs for their personal car, along with what they lose in time spent in commuting and maintenance and still make a worthwhile profit.

At this point Uber survives because they found enough gullible drivers that waste time and add serious mileage to their own cars for Uber's profit. But at some point the bill kicks in.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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I had the opportunity to speak with an Uber driver today who spoke with a gentle voice and was very pleasant. She didn't speak much and when she did, she was very agreeable. However, when the Uber topic came up, she was very vocal about how unhappy she was driving with Uber (She did not know about the recent Uber drama going on because she was so busy driving all the time).

She complained about Uber's frequently changing driver bonuses. Right when she figures out a routine that fits her schedules, Uber sweeps out the rug from under her and changes the payment structure.

Example: Previously you complete 125 rides / week and you will get a $500 bonus. This a significant number for her. Now, Uber split it up so you have to do 75 rides by Thursday to earn $250. Then do 65 rides on fri/sat/sun to earn the remainder $250. This is incredibly frustrating for her because on weekends she usually gets long rides (SF to San Jose). This immediately takes an hour off her day (for one ride) and she would have to work extra to meet her target.

Obviously, I asked her why she doesn't drive for Lyft. She used to, and Lyft did many things right. She loved it. However, Lyft decided to take away Lyft power driver bonus (similar to Uber's bonus) and that made a significant dent in her earning potential. She had to switch and drive for Uber to make ends meet. I'd imagine many Lyft drivers had a similar reaction, which is why I still find much more drivers on Uber than on Lyft despite the all the negative publicity. Here are some things that I think Lyft can improve on their business strategy:

1. Be willing to do what it takes to succeed. Uber has repeatedly shown their agility and versatility to adapt to changes around them. When they realized that Uber Black was not what the public wanted, they introduced UberX (which screwed over alot of their existing drivers) and lowered fares. It was harsh and unfair, but it had to be done.

If I was running Lyft and was low on cash and could not afford to continue driver bonuses, I would have laid off a chunk of the engineering team / staff to raise capital to retain the drivers from switching.

2. With all these #deleteUber hashtags, why haven't I heard any of my friends promoting Lyft? Now should be the perfect time to splurge on marketing and capture all the disgruntled uber drivers and passengers. Wait a month, most of the fire would have died.

As much as I love Lyft and the experience I have riding with Lyft, I prefer giving that up for a cheaper service. Most people I know would prefer to save money. I hope Lyft figures out an aggressive business strategy and become a viable Uber competitor.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Forgive me if this is me being dense, but from an outsider's perspective I don't understand what makes Lyft any better than Uber. Neither company properly categorizes their drivers (as employees), both have a rather sizeable cut from fares, both depended on being basically illegal cabs--except for Uber Black, which uses licensed black car services--to get started, and neither has a financially viable business model.…

The key points are - CEO never blackmailed journalists - No major revelations of sexual harassment - ~~No major revelations of political support~~ Related to core business - Surge Limit has prevented complaints about emergency pricing vs Uber. - Lyft takes a lower commission capped at 20%/25% - Lyft has in app digital tipping (drivers keep 100% of tips). Uber's tip policy encourages cash, which is an often cited comp…

I would swear when i first installed Uber, they were clear tips were built in to the price of the ride. I believe there was even a screen on signup to select 10,20, or 30% tips - i might have imagined that part though, it was years ago.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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> neither Lyft nor Uber has demonstrated a "financially viable business Self driving cars

In the magical future where self-driving cars will be able to replace 100% of what a driver does 100% of the time, what barrier to entry will protect Uber from competition? What stops someone from leasing a few dozen vehicles, and opening up their NotUber self-driving taxi service?

Nothing will stop them, and the company to replace Uber won't own the cars. They'll simply make technology that empowers self-driving car owners to earn money with their car while they're sitting at work.

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key points are - CEO never blackmailed journalists - No major revelations of sexual harassment - ~~No major revelations of political support~~ Related to core business - Surge Limit has prevented complaints about emergency pricing vs Uber. - Lyft takes a lower commission capped at 20%/25% - Lyft has in app digital tipping (drivers keep 100% of tips). Uber's tip policy encourages cash, which is an often cited comp…

the in app tipping that lyft provides is what seals the deal for me. the drivers are performing a service for me and having an integrated way to enhance their compensation is really nice. a lot of the drivers have a hard time making a good living especially considering vehicle related costs are all on their shoulders. I'm happy to have a 1-click way to give them a bit extra. I've never understood why uber doesn't let…

I hate this mentality

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early stage private valuations tend to be focused on future potential, usually expressed in total addressable market figures. Lyft was selling slow expansion (they're still a US-only operator, and even within the US operate in relatively few markets) and most likely positive cashflow. Uber was selling rapid global expansion, where each new city could be scaled up via Uber playbooks. Then it started selling itself as…

Oh wow, this is the first I'm hearing of it. Yandex, the search engine operates a Yandex.taxi? That's pretty interesting, all major Global search engines, Google, Yandex, Baidu have interests in developing self-driving cars as well.

https://yandex.com/company/press_center/press_releases/2011/...

https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/28/yandex-teams-on-self-dri...

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key points are - CEO never blackmailed journalists - No major revelations of sexual harassment - ~~No major revelations of political support~~ Related to core business - Surge Limit has prevented complaints about emergency pricing vs Uber. - Lyft takes a lower commission capped at 20%/25% - Lyft has in app digital tipping (drivers keep 100% of tips). Uber's tip policy encourages cash, which is an often cited comp…

the in app tipping that lyft provides is what seals the deal for me. the drivers are performing a service for me and having an integrated way to enhance their compensation is really nice. a lot of the drivers have a hard time making a good living especially considering vehicle related costs are all on their shoulders. I'm happy to have a 1-click way to give them a bit extra. I've never understood why uber doesn't let…

Uber's claim is that black people are known to tip poorly, and so drivers would be incentivized to cancel their rides in favor of fares they expect will tip better. Therefore they don't allow tipping to prevent racism. Supposedly...
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