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Kitchen worker becomes part-owner of top restaurant

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Re: Kitchen worker becomes part-owner of top restaurant

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Because of the "there would be nobody left doing low-skilled work" part. Once there is a scarcity of people who are willing to do this work, the price will automatically rise. When it does, people will either be highly paid to do these unpleasant tasks, or (more righteously IMHO) these tasks will be done by robots. The problem is that anyone can clean toilets. Its unpleasant, hard work, but requires no training. Ther…

Once there is a scarcity of people who are willing to do this work, the price will automatically rise. This presupposes that there is enough high-skilled work available and that all low-skilled workers are capable of obtaining higher qualifications. The later one is certainly not true and the former one seems at least questionable. And every time the demand in a high-skilled professions drops, those workers end up in…

>That is my point, I want workers to be paid for the work they do, not for the training it required.

Unfortunately, supply and demand confounds this with alacrity. Things that are plentiful are cheap, even if we wish otherwise. We can make rules to "fix" it but it's so difficult and expensive I'm not even sure it's a break even proposition. It does feel good to try.

>Empirically this does not seem to work, otherwise we would see a narrowing gap...

The gap is irrelevant. It's the lifting that counts. The gap only becomes a problem when the top doesn't get farther ahead by moving up, they get farther ahead by pushing others down (often while their absolute material wealth actually declines).

Re: Kitchen worker becomes part-owner of top restaurant

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once there is a scarcity of people who are willing to do this work, the price will automatically rise. This presupposes that there is enough high-skilled work available and that all low-skilled workers are capable of obtaining higher qualifications. The later one is certainly not true and the former one seems at least questionable. And every time the demand in a high-skilled professions drops, those workers end up in…

>That is my point, I want workers to be paid for the work they do, not for the training it required. Unfortunately, supply and demand confounds this with alacrity. Things that are plentiful are cheap, even if we wish otherwise. We can make rules to "fix" it but it's so difficult and expensive I'm not even sure it's a break even proposition. It does feel good to try. >Empirically this does not seem to work, otherwise…

The gap is irrelevant. It's the lifting that counts. The gap only becomes a problem when the top doesn't get farther ahead by moving up, they get farther ahead by pushing others down (often while their absolute material wealth actually declines).

This is a point of view I do not share. It is a common argument, capitalism made everyone better of. But I would argue the gap matters even if the lower is better of. The CEO making 10 million Dollar a year did not create that value, the 10,000 workers on the factory floor did this.

That are only 1000 Dollar per worker and it might not matter that much to each one of them whether they earn 1000 Dollar more or less. But he fact that the workers are the ones actually producing the value while the CEO is the one disproportionally profiting from that, that seems to me unfair and at least psychological more relevant than 1000 Dollars more or less.

I fully agree with all the arguments about taking risks when founding a company and so on and getting some compensation for this, but that should not be excessive. Taking a bit of money from many to become disproportionally wealthy is something I am not okay with.

And I make no distinction how it is done, whether you take it from your employees, or from your customers depositing money in your bank, or by investing your existing wealth and collecting dividends. Taking some money from many is no better then taking much money from a few.

Re: Kitchen worker becomes part-owner of top restaurant

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post #10

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Exactly what benefit to society does your taxi driver having a PHD provide?

>Exactly what benefit to society does your taxi driver having a PHD provide? That is an extreme example, but it doesn't really make any points. In general, society benefits from each member striving to fulfill their potential. That doesn't mean everybody needs to have PhDs; in fact, I think more the opposite, that more people should be doing apprenticeships and attending trade schools. But in general, a society that…

> more people should be doing apprenticeships and attending trade schools

Wholeheartedly agree. Not everyone needs or should go get a college degree; it's oversold. Yet if you put them as an apprentice to a blacksmith they could get excited and productive in their trade quickly.

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