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Re: YouTube TV

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Just to clarify a bit: I do think OTT is going to win out in the long run. But that's really just the underlying technology. The tough part is getting rid of the bundle. I'm not so sure that'll happen, although I really hope it does. All of these giant media companies would much rather sell you 10 channels for $20 than a single channel for $5. If a la carte starts happening in a serious way, it's going to be a huge w…

Bundling is actually win-win in practice. The economics work pretty well, which is why it's so persistent. It's a bit complex, take a look: http://cdixon.org/2012/07/08/how-bundling-benefits-sellers-a...

It's only a win for the consumer if the shows they're interested in are subsidized enough by others being forced to pay for them that it offsets the amount that the consumer is forced to pay for the shows they're not interested in.

Basically it's a zero-sum game for the consumers amongst themselves while being a win for the seller.

Re: YouTube TV

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As someone who has lived in many different countries, I find this stuff so frustrating. When I was living in England, my wife and I wanted to watch Japanese anime (in Japanese). Luckily Crunchyroll exists and it has quite a large amount of content for a very low price (I think we were paying 4 pounds per month). But now that I'm back in Japan, we want to watch shows from BBC... basically not possible legally. I reall…

You can watch iPlayer via a VPN or DNS service like unblock.us (do not know if they have service in Japan). Note to the BBC - I would be to pay 3x the license fee to be able to watch on the internet with a subscription from outside the U.K. I bet if you opened it up world wide you would make more money then you do on the all the U.K license fees.

> You can watch iPlayer via a VPN or DNS service like unblock.us (do not know if they have service in Japan).

Just had to do a second take to appreciate the irony of a geoblocking circumvention service being geoblocked.

Re: YouTube TV

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This is a cool idea but it still falls very short by not serving users outside of the US. To the point where the welcome page doesn't even acknowledge that there may be global interest: https://tv.youtube.com/welcome/ (enter your ZIP code, no country picker ... YouTube, you do realize you're on the internet, right?) Does YouTube care about getting content to the world? Or just getting as many of their fingers in the…

Yeah the entertainment industry wants content to spread at the speed of a steam ship, rather than the speed of light. Fortunately: Ǝ VPN.

Yeah, and then they wonder why there is so much piracy.

Re: YouTube TV

#265

Initial reactions: 1) Will it have ESPN? I only really care about ESPN on a daily basis for TV. 2) "Never run out of DVR storage" -> Will I be able to easily save recordings of any show on Youtube TV? I value this a lot for particular sporting events and have years' worth of footage backed up.

Yep, it has ESPN, ESPN2 and 3 too. Some posters referred to the channel list:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wZJuVdp0HaH4GQiB-XNVz76qkd...

and the blog post

https://youtube.googleblog.com/2017/02/finally-live-tv-made-...

Re: YouTube TV

#266

Former Aereo engineer here. First off, there are really two main reasons for someone not to have a cable subscription: 1. They don't care about the content 2. Price sensitivity At Aereo, we saw these sort of mix together to create hugely elastic demand. For a while, we offered a $1 "day pass" that would give you access to live TV for 24 hours at a time. During the Super Bowl and various award shows, we had crazy numb…

Just to clarify a bit: I do think OTT is going to win out in the long run. But that's really just the underlying technology. The tough part is getting rid of the bundle. I'm not so sure that'll happen, although I really hope it does. All of these giant media companies would much rather sell you 10 channels for $20 than a single channel for $5. If a la carte starts happening in a serious way, it's going to be a huge w…

Study the ownership charts and it all becomes clear. There are not 10 companies producing 10 channels. There are like 3 to 5 companies producing everything you watch. So in your scaled down example, there's only perhaps two companies each producing 5 channels, and using the miracle of economy of scale they only each collect $10. You might very superficially think each channel costs $2 but because of economy of scale and intentional government regulation it costs like $9.50 to produce one channel, $9.75 to produce 2 to 4 channels, and $10 to produce 5 channels. The lights go out on the whole system if they don't get their $10 of revenue so they have to charge "around" $10 for one channel, you can forget $2 or even $5. Well, not everyones viewing patterns are going to match one corporation, so most people are going to end up needing to buy from both companies which is $20 so a la carte is dead. In an artisinal world of bespoke channels made by individual companies or people, a la carte would work, but economy of scale and financial pressures means everything you see comes from a very narrow funnel. And that narrow funnel is why its culturally changing from broadcasting to extreme narrowcasting and revenue is collapsing, but thats another issue.

Another analysis mistake is thinking channels are all equal and of equal value. Most channels are filler taking up bandwidth to keep competitors at bay. It is exactly like retail brick and mortar software sales in the 90s where you'd have a gigantic cardboard box containing a half sheet of paper and a CD in a sleeve rattling around in there. The fillers make little to no money but they make sure that a competitor doesn't have the space to set up something that could be a hit (its quite a downward spiral).

Eventually the cable companies are going to give up on trying to manage a system that delivers every channel to every station all the time, and then the game will really be on, and its a game of logistics and scaling and financialization that the cable co has already won, so best of luck to the new entrants, but other than provoking some short term innovation...

Re: YouTube TV

#267

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This is still only true if you have the pipe. Attempting this from Melbourne and the streams still fall on their face.

It worked fine on 10meg/1meg ADSL2+. I think most people have access to that (at least in the UK, >95% of population).

Haha, 10meg down. I'm lucky to get 5.5...
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