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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by PastaMonster »

developer2 wrote: post #38
sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

Crohn's Disease is one of those things where, if you do not suffer from it personally, you have absolutely no business telling someone who does what they may or may not do to treat it - or rather its symptoms. I have a friend with Crohn's, and based on his reserved description (not far past PG-13) as to what he goes through on a daily basis, I would not DARE tell him that he cannot use marijuana, opioids, or anything…

But letting people do what they want with their own body is an attack on those opinions and so they must be stopped.

Psychology, with differing opinions and such you react the same way as if it were a physical attack. The brain simply can't tell the difference. Hence people do this. People can't just agree to disagree and move on. People will pick at the differing opinions like a chicken. Doesn't matter how many people they hurt as long as they get what they want. Whine, nag, violence, etc. Suddenly I started thinking of feminism.

Human is a disgusting egoistical selfish animal. Expecting any kind of standard is naive and foolish.

Related but off topic: The legal-system is filled with laws that reflect certain peoples opinion.

The government act as if they own our bodies yet we don't see a penny for the rental and when we try and say "no" they use brute force to enforce its will. Quite barbaric. If you don't have brute force backing you up than you aren't recognized as a country for example. I can say I own the moon but if I don't have brute force backing me up then I'm just a joke. Hence as a person you have no say what so ever, you're irrelevant. So why do we have a comment section? Just to distract us from actually doing something productive and affect the world? Conspiracy?

Sorry my mind wanders. Never could get the leash to work.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by zensavona »

pmoriarty wrote: post #50
fencepost wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From his standpoint pot is much worse than tobacco - pot doesn't have well-funded lobbyists, campaign contributors, etc.

I'm kind of surprised that the alcohol and tobacco industries don't lobby for legalization. They could potentially diversify in to marijuana manufacture and sale, and leverage their brands and experience in selling other recreational drugs. The pharmaceutical industry could similarly profit from manufacturing and selling medical marijuana.

The problem from the pharma companies point of view is that they have patents on a lot of their drugs, granting exclusivity on production. Marijuana is a plant which anyone can grow (and thus compete with them).

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by emcq »

amalag wrote: post #11
Retric wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opioids reduce, but don't block extreme pain so much as make you not care about it. They work really well for short term, less extreme pain, but they become less effective over time and they side effects are nasty. So my guess is people with long term pain are probably better off with canibis long term even if Opiods work really well for post operation pain for example.

Would be great if opiods never left the hospital.

I was on opiods for a month. At the time it was prohibitive to get out of bed, let alone go to the hospital. I dont remember it much but sleeping on my own bed beats the heck out of the hospital.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by ancientworldnow »

pmoriarty wrote: post #50
fencepost wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From his standpoint pot is much worse than tobacco - pot doesn't have well-funded lobbyists, campaign contributors, etc.

I'm kind of surprised that the alcohol and tobacco industries don't lobby for legalization. They could potentially diversify in to marijuana manufacture and sale, and leverage their brands and experience in selling other recreational drugs. The pharmaceutical industry could similarly profit from manufacturing and selling medical marijuana.

While trying to be vague, I can say the tobacco industry is ready to profit off of marijuana legalization. They have lots of stuff ready to go, but not public. In the meantime, however, they are more than happy to continue raking in their current profits and not rocking the boat.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by seattle_spring »

WalterSear wrote: post #10
meowface wrote: post #2

In many cases, though, cannabis and CBD oil aren't nearly as effective as opioids for relief from severe pain, right? How often is this a viable alternative for patients? This study only looked at 250 people who already have medical cannabis prescriptions for pain, so this shouldn't be extrapolated too heavily.

I was diagnosed with chronic pain syndrome, and when given the opportunity, had my doctor switch my prescription from opioids to cannabis. I don't think that one can appreciate how effective it is for chronic pain, until you've had to use it for that.

Could you recommend what products specifically help you the most? I've had chronic neck and back pain for years. Smoking marijuana actually tends to make it worse, but I haven't experimented with specific strains, ingestion methods, etc.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by PastaMonster »

doctorcroc wrote: post #39
sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

You also incidentally hit upon the reason why it's been marginalized by industry for so long -- it represents a huge dent in profits. Whenever something seems awry, a good question to ask is, cui bono (who benefits)?

and who loses? Drug industry can't patent it and own it and restrict it to cause demand and price increase. Alcohol and tobacco industry will lose customers. The governments, politicians and industries will loose face for example over the fact they have told lies for decades for profits.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by pmoriarty »

zensavona wrote: post #52
pmoriarty wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm kind of surprised that the alcohol and tobacco industries don't lobby for legalization. They could potentially diversify in to marijuana manufacture and sale, and leverage their brands and experience in selling other recreational drugs. The pharmaceutical industry could similarly profit from manufacturing and selling medical marijuana.

The problem from the pharma companies point of view is that they have patents on a lot of their drugs, granting exclusivity on production. Marijuana is a plant which anyone can grow (and thus compete with them).

I don't think most marijuana smokers are going to want to bother growing their own marijuana any more than cigarette smokers bother to grow their own tobacco.

People are also very attracted to brands and swayed by marketing.

I don't doubt for an instant that the marijuana industry is going to be gigantic if it ever becomes fully legal in the US.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by egloo »

jessep wrote: post #28

I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain. Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morn…

Have you tried chanca piedra? It's an herb, but has been run through medical trials in Germany with great success. I use it and it seems to have lessened my kidney stone issues.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by aphextron »

beambot wrote: post #22

Surprising that big pharma is an opponent to a readily-available natural substance outside the purview of patent protections. Quick, better enforce the federal ban.

>Quick, better enforce the federal ban.

Fortunately, things have progressed so far at the state level that it would be impossible for the feds to shut it down now.

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