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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by rrauenza »

wutbrodo wrote: post #616
matthewmacleod wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the problem is that most men in tech these days are "brogrammers" who approve of this behavior and engage in it themselves. Citation needed. I haven't yet, in a decade in the tech industry, worked with anybody who would act in this way, to the best of my knowledge. That said, I work in London and not SV, so I can't say if the culture is different. I know for a fact that it wouldn't be tolerated for a second…

I _have_ worked in SV for my entire career and I've yet to meet the mythical brogrammer. That being said, I've only worked at big companies and am currently at a startup where I'm the first employee and have done all the hiring. Though that doesn't really explain why none of my candidates check any of the boxes that I'd expect from what I've heard about brogrammers.

I've worked in SV my entire career and I've met two. And their demographic profile wasn't at all what I expected.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by gkya »

taw24 wrote: post #811
gkya wrote: post #647

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There's no discrimination issue here. Just like one can support a given law, they can oppose it too. OK Cupid's move has nothing to do with free speech at all, and I believe in neither the sincerity nor the aptness thereof. Eich's actions were legal, peasurable or not, and within the protection of basic human rights. (WRT same-sex marriage issue, I believe that civil unions should replace all kinds of marriage we've…

Ahh, you're one of those "libertarians" who claims that the market will correct all social ills and then suddenly gets offended when the market starts correcting those social ills.

I don't really understand what this comment means.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by ohyes »

ryanx435 wrote: post #804
ohyes wrote: post #523

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That applies in the case of a court of law or if I were an individual in the media reporting on the alleged incident (in which case I would likely try to corroborate with other alleged victims). It doesn't make sense in the situation (here) where someone is making the accusation. She knows it happened, she was there , from that perspective this guy should be getting wrecked. It would be a public service. There's no r…

I hereby accuse you of sexually assaulting me. I know it happened. I was there, and from that perspective you should be getting wrecked. I am making my accusations anonymously on the internet so it must be true. by your logic we should now scream your name from the mountain tops and conduct a witch hunt and destroy your reputation and livelihood simply because you have been accused. the truth is that Women are people…

Part of my point is to look at it from the accuser's perspective.

So you're not really responding to my the point, which is that the accuser in this and the other case didn't name the person. It seems like from the accuser's perspective, a witch-hunt and the destruction of my reputation would be great. So... why not do it? It seems like the most effective path would be to absolutely destroy the other person (corroboration, witnesses, detailed accounts) before they can play defense and start smearing you.

You've spoken to and demonstrated why we shouldn't believe everything we read on the internet, which is well and good and correct. But what you haven't answered is why someone making serious accusations of this nature wouldn't name the person who has done this to them?

I don't think equality has anything to do with my point? It's more a game theoretic question.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by fletom »

learningram wrote: post #765

>My paycheck is 18% less than my less qualified male colleagues. I stopped reading after this line. Not because it cannot be true but because it reeks of agenda and made me doubt her credibility.

by "agenda" do you mean the agenda of exposing sexism at Uber? because that's what the whole post is about.

and why exactly would it make you doubt her credibility?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by grandalf »

bbarn wrote: post #664
grandalf wrote: post #360

I think the bottom line is that some founders believe that you have to tolerate abusive personalities in order to hire the best. I had a person on my team once who I did not hire but who had a reputation for being one of the smartest and most capable engineers. As his new manager, I expected that I'd soon promote him. But then I saw that he treated others on the team very poorly and often said highly inappropriate se…

> I know it's a cliche that bullies are always deeply insecure. I think that is the case for workplace bullies too. The brash, over-confident, aggressive act that these people put on works to help them find out who they can victimize. I just don't agree with this thinking. Thinking that insecurity drives aggression ignores the simple fact that aggression is aggression. It's applying a victim card on top of asshole be…

> It's applying a victim card on top of asshole behavior.

Well, we're all in a sense victims of what our environment did to our tabula rasa to make us who we are (for better and worse).

All humans have flaws (insecurity among them). Mistreating others is never an excusable way to conduct ourselves. I do not intend to give anyone a pass.

FYI I think it's necessary to point out that brash behavior can have its origin in insecurity, since many seem to assume it has its origin in competence and frustration with others' incompetence.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by dang »

taw24 wrote: post #811
gkya wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no discrimination issue here. Just like one can support a given law, they can oppose it too. OK Cupid's move has nothing to do with free speech at all, and I believe in neither the sincerity nor the aptness thereof. Eich's actions were legal, peasurable or not, and within the protection of basic human rights. (WRT same-sex marriage issue, I believe that civil unions should replace all kinds of marriage we've…

Ahh, you're one of those "libertarians" who claims that the market will correct all social ills and then suddenly gets offended when the market starts correcting those social ills.

We've banned this account. HN is not for political and ideological battle, regardless of which political flavor. Combining that with personal attack is particularly unwelcome.

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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by typon »

iopq wrote: post #788
lenkite wrote: post #695

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I didn't see any buzzwords or liberal talking points in this article. Could you provide specifics ? This article feels exactly as it would be written by a scared and angry person. Not everyone is cool,(as in calm headed) brilliant and courageous as Fowler. Fowler had the smarts, strength and level headedness to keep proof and you get the strong feeling that she has kept more proof hidden and ready to use as ammunitio…

Muh wage gap. Muh partiarchy. It's cringy reading.

Do you work at Uber?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by ryanx435 »

ohyes wrote: post #823
ryanx435 wrote: post #804

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I hereby accuse you of sexually assaulting me. I know it happened. I was there, and from that perspective you should be getting wrecked. I am making my accusations anonymously on the internet so it must be true. by your logic we should now scream your name from the mountain tops and conduct a witch hunt and destroy your reputation and livelihood simply because you have been accused. the truth is that Women are people…

Part of my point is to look at it from the accuser's perspective. So you're not really responding to my the point, which is that the accuser in this and the other case didn't name the person. It seems like from the accuser's perspective, a witch-hunt and the destruction of my reputation would be great. So... why not do it? It seems like the most effective path would be to absolutely destroy the other person (corrobor…

because if the courts find her accusations to be false (even if they are true), than she would than open herself up to defamation and lible charges from the accused.

From a game theory perspective, it doesn't make sense to break the accused anonymity outside of official court procedings if she doesn't need to because of the huge liability it unnecessarily opens up if her accusations are deemed false.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by acomar »

gkya wrote: post #647
specialist wrote: post #635

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So. Eich funding discrimination is free speech, whereas OK Cupid blocking his browser is not. Because why? Aside: great insights into the victimhood mentality of the free speech zealots. https://psmag.com/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-amer...

There's no discrimination issue here. Just like one can support a given law, they can oppose it too. OK Cupid's move has nothing to do with free speech at all, and I believe in neither the sincerity nor the aptness thereof. Eich's actions were legal, peasurable or not, and within the protection of basic human rights. (WRT same-sex marriage issue, I believe that civil unions should replace all kinds of marriage we've…

Why is it a free speech issue for Eich to make a donation but not for OKC to choose not to associate with his organization? I fail to see the distinction, especially since the right to free association is closely linked to free speech. This argument has never made any sense to me. Eich's actions were protected from retaliation by the government; if you argue that the same must hold true for private individuals and organizations then you're really saying some speech needs to be more protected than others. How do we draw those lines?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by fmatthew5876 »

Why do you people continue working at a second rate company like this? Horrible culture, long hours, low pay, and you're getting paid in worthless stock options. All promises and bullshit. You can be sure management will do everything they can to prevent you from cashing in those options and forcing you to stay at the company for as long as possible.
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