CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
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Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
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Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#3Meh, making people hire (or not fire) those they don't like is evil. If I don't want to spend my money on this guy, I shouldn't have to. If the reason I don't want to is that I'm ageist -- well, so what? Yeah that sucks for both of us, but making ageists spend tons of money to hire old people they don't want to be around, or making racists spend tons of money to hire black people, or whatever, is no solution.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#4Meh, making people hire (or not fire) those they don't like is evil. If I don't want to spend my money on this guy, I shouldn't have to. If the reason I don't want to is that I'm ageist -- well, so what? Yeah that sucks for both of us, but making ageists spend tons of money to hire old people they don't want to be around, or making racists spend tons of money to hire black people, or whatever, is no solution.
Because society is better off if your irrationality is overridden.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#5Meh, making people hire (or not fire) those they don't like is evil. If I don't want to spend my money on this guy, I shouldn't have to. If the reason I don't want to is that I'm ageist -- well, so what? Yeah that sucks for both of us, but making ageists spend tons of money to hire old people they don't want to be around, or making racists spend tons of money to hire black people, or whatever, is no solution.
Because society is better off if your irrationality is overridden.
You haven't proven irrationality.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because society is better off if your irrationality is overridden.
You haven't proven irrationality.
If there is no correlation between productivity and age/race/whatever then it is a massive inefficiency in the labor market for there to be such arbitrary discrimination.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#7Meh, making people hire (or not fire) those they don't like is evil. If I don't want to spend my money on this guy, I shouldn't have to. If the reason I don't want to is that I'm ageist -- well, so what? Yeah that sucks for both of us, but making ageists spend tons of money to hire old people they don't want to be around, or making racists spend tons of money to hire black people, or whatever, is no solution.
Because society is better off if your irrationality is overridden.
Is it? This policy:
1) hurts ageists, racists, etc (that's quite a lot of people, counting mild cases)
2) discourages ageists from starting businesses
3) discourages ageists from hiring anyone
4) makes old people feel entitled to work at ageist businesses, when perhaps it'd be better if they didn't expect to be able to work anywhere and put more effort into finding a better fit
5) harms productivity and therefore the economy (via making some people uncomfortable at their own business)
6) makes it hard to fire old, black, gay, female, etc, persons for vague but legitimate reasons, or reasons one doesn't want to tell them
On the other hand, if an ageist doesn't hire an old guy who was best for the job then the harm done is roughly:
1) the old guy gets the second best job available to him
2) the company gets the second best employee available to them
That's only a small inefficiency.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
You haven't proven irrationality.
If there is no correlation between productivity and age/race/whatever then it is a massive inefficiency in the labor market for there to be such arbitrary discrimination.
I would be surprised if there is no correlation between age or race (or gender, and others) and productivity.
For age, it's hard to guess if the productivity is more or less for older people (the extra wisdom and experience helps a lot!). It must vary by field. It'd be pretty shocking if no fields at all have significant correlations between productivity and age.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because society is better off if your irrationality is overridden.
Is it? This policy: 1) hurts ageists, racists, etc (that's quite a lot of people, counting mild cases) 2) discourages ageists from starting businesses 3) discourages ageists from hiring anyone 4) makes old people feel entitled to work at ageist businesses, when perhaps it'd be better if they didn't expect to be able to work anywhere and put more effort into finding a better fit 5) harms productivity and therefore the…
More realistically the "inefficiency" item #1 is that the "old guy" doesn't get any of the available jobs in his preferred industry and has to settle for a job well outside or below his area of expertise at significantly less pay. This is not a small inefficiency for him.
Re: CA Supreme Court to review Brian Reid's age-discrimination case against Google
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because society is better off if your irrationality is overridden.
Is it? This policy: 1) hurts ageists, racists, etc (that's quite a lot of people, counting mild cases) 2) discourages ageists from starting businesses 3) discourages ageists from hiring anyone 4) makes old people feel entitled to work at ageist businesses, when perhaps it'd be better if they didn't expect to be able to work anywhere and put more effort into finding a better fit 5) harms productivity and therefore the…
1) hurts ageists, racists, etc (that's quite a lot of people, counting mild cases)
2) discourages ageists from starting businesses
3) discourages ageists from hiring anyone
Well, they can not apply their ageist, racist views in the workplace. It's not a basic civil right to be an ageist or racist.
4) makes old people feel entitled to work at ageist businesses, when perhaps it'd be better if they didn't expect to be able to work anywhere and put more effort into finding a better fit
Why? The case in question will be decided (I assume) on whether the employee was fired due to his age or productivity.
5) harms productivity and therefore the economy (via making some people uncomfortable at their own business)
Productivity is harmed when people like the guy in this story can't get a job, too. Seems to me if you don't exclude people from certain jobs based on irrelevant parameters, economy usually benefits.
6) makes it hard to fire old, black, gay, female, etc, persons for vague but legitimate reasons, or reasons one doesn't want to tell them
I doubt old, black, gay, female employees are particularly hard to fire, at least in the US.
1) the old guy gets the second best job available to him
These issues usually rise when it's not the rare case but the common case. So, the old guy will not get the second best job but perhaps the twentieth best job, or none at all. Take a look around you (assuming you work in software) and count how many people over 50 you see.