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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by uberengineer123 »

achow wrote: post #704
anonymoose234 wrote: post #671

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>I had one opportunity to speak up when my female teammate was being discriminated against >He's a massive jackass too, but you can't fire people on the spot for being a massive jackass without a lot of evidence to back it up. The implication of this is that you also have experience at Uber working with somebody who is unfireable despite being a "massive jackass" and engaging in sex discrimination against at least on…

He clearly mentioned "It (sexism) wasn't even blatant either..". In every company there are 'Jackasses' (selfish egotist managers, politically malevolent colleagues etc.) who can never be fired for their specific ways of 'jackassery'. In this Uber narrative it was not anyway implied that this person was always sexist jackass. I'm just being respectful of the anonymous Uber engineers who are speaking up. This would on…

Thanks for speeaking up for me, this is exactly what I meant. It is really hard to stand up by myself against the deluge of negativity, thanks.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by uberengineer123 »

daveguy wrote: post #641
uberengineer123 wrote: post #633

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There are nearly 2000 engineers at Uber, with people coming and going every week. I'm not even sure I know the /team/ the author is writing about. Practicality aside, how stupid do you think I would have to be to start a massive witchhunt against somebody who has had allegations made against them by an anonymous person?

> Practicality aside, how stupid do you think I would have to be to start a massive witchhunt against somebody who has had allegations made against them by an anonymous person? They weren't talking to you they were talking to the person who asked for the witch hunt. Although somebody does know exactly who this is and never should have let it slide. Those of you with your head down, it's time to go over your boss's he…

>They weren't talking to you they were talking to the person who asked for the witch hunt.

That's the same person I replied to. I think you took my comment to be in reply to another comment of the same depth.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by ralfd »

rsp1984 wrote: post #364
Arizhel wrote: post #278

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Why is this being modded down? It's the truth. Big companies almost always come out on top in trials because they can afford the best lawyers, and they can afford to game the system to bankrupt their opponents by filing never-ending motions to delay and other tactics which increase the legal costs to the opponent. You're almost never going to get a positive result if you're a rank-and-file employee; your best course…

I personally know someone who went through this (related to IP, not sexual harassment). I understand the lawsuit dragged on for about seven years. He finally got awarded about eight million dollars in damages but hasn't been able to collect a single cent of it. When Peter Thiel says "single digit millionaires have no effective access to the legal system" [1] on the surface that sounds laughable and out-of-touch but I…

How does that work: He got awarded the money but can't collect it?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by arthur_pryor »

gaius wrote: post #746
tanderson92 wrote: post #735

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Linus has made demeaning, sexist remarks to a woman to lower her self-worth and value, in a way worse than (or even similar to) "whiny little bitch" ? Please provide sources, I'm genuinely interested.

You really need a link to Torvalds abusing people? Here's kernel dev Sarah Sharp https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus...

i'm not defending linus' management style, but it is a significantly worse crime in my book to be sexist/racist abusive or a sexual harasser than it is to be a garden variety verbally abusive boss who is abusive solely based on and in relation to the quality of work performed. i suspect many others feel similarly.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by gaius »

tanderson92 wrote: post #750
gaius wrote: post #746

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You really need a link to Torvalds abusing people? Here's kernel dev Sarah Sharp https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus...

Sorry, that doesn't prove what you claimed. In fact every piece of evidence appears to be him yelling at males. (And I'm also not sympathetic to Sarah here given the clearly joking nature of Linus' reply about Greg -- notice how others took it. See also http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137391528412980&w=2 See also one of the supposed receivers of abuse on the supposed abuse: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=13740…

Let me just see if I understand your position - verbal abuse is acceptable so long as both the speaker and the target identify as the same gender?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by tanderson92 »

gaius wrote: post #756
tanderson92 wrote: post #750

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Sorry, that doesn't prove what you claimed. In fact every piece of evidence appears to be him yelling at males. (And I'm also not sympathetic to Sarah here given the clearly joking nature of Linus' reply about Greg -- notice how others took it. See also http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137391528412980&w=2 See also one of the supposed receivers of abuse on the supposed abuse: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=13740…

Let me just see if I understand your position - verbal abuse is acceptable so long as both the speaker and the target identify as the same gender?

I said:

"Linus has made demeaning, sexist remarks to a woman to lower her self-worth and value, in a way worse than (or even similar to) "whiny little bitch" ? Please provide sources, I'm genuinely interested."

And you responded:

"You really need a link to Torvalds abusing people? Here's kernel dev Sarah Sharp https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus...

But you did not actually present evidence of the claim. That it comes from (a female) Sarah Sharp doesn't add anything to your position.

On the other hand, in my GP comment i include direct sources to supposed receivers of abuse that Sarah is referencing. The supposed receivers comment that they do not consider it abuse and find the language helpful and productive.

See the difference? I provided relevant evidence and your link did not address the claim.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by ralfd »

CydeWeys wrote: post #613
EpicEng wrote: post #570

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It is most certainly not. By your definition any appointee is a 'political position'. That term has a real meaning in the circles which matter (i.e., politics), and AG is not considered a political position. That's not to say an AG is completely separate from political realities, but the office is (supposed to be) non-partisan.

I'm from DC and used to work in politics. Everyone I know from that realm considers political appointees to be political positions, and call them such. The political positions are rough, because churn is pretty much guaranteed every 4-8 years.

They may be political positions, but are the office holders "politicians"? When they never ran in an election? That was the original question.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by techdragon »

ralfd wrote: post #754
rsp1984 wrote: post #364

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I personally know someone who went through this (related to IP, not sexual harassment). I understand the lawsuit dragged on for about seven years. He finally got awarded about eight million dollars in damages but hasn't been able to collect a single cent of it. When Peter Thiel says "single digit millionaires have no effective access to the legal system" [1] on the surface that sounds laughable and out-of-touch but I…

How does that work: He got awarded the money but can't collect it?

Between appeals and that verdicts won't normally contain anything about how promptly payments must be made, things can drag on a while, then there's the simple honest stuff like, "the whole board must meet to approve expenditures over $X" and the settlement will be over that $X.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by gaius »

tanderson92 wrote: post #757
gaius wrote: post #756

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Let me just see if I understand your position - verbal abuse is acceptable so long as both the speaker and the target identify as the same gender?

I said: "Linus has made demeaning, sexist remarks to a woman to lower her self-worth and value, in a way worse than (or even similar to) "whiny little bitch" ? Please provide sources, I'm genuinely interested." And you responded: "You really need a link to Torvalds abusing people? Here's kernel dev Sarah Sharp https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus... But you did not actually present evidence of…

You're asserting that some abuse is OK, praiseworthy even, and some is not, and positioning yourself to make that judgement on behalf of the community . I'm asserting that none is. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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