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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by uberengineer123 »

crux wrote: post #675
uberengineer123 wrote: post #605

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>It sounds like the abuse is pretty universal, from the article: "It was normal for guys to refer to other guys as fags when they didn't participate in private parties where sex and drugs were involved." Full disclosure, I work at Uber. I have been staying out of this until now, but this point particularly grinds my gears. If I heard anything remotely like what was discussed in this article you bet your ass I'm going…

You, with the rest of us, have been treated to more than enough coverage of the issues at Uber to know that this isn't a series of isolated incidents. If you really wouldn't stand for this sort of thing, then quit your job.

I don't get this. You don't know anything about working at Uber except secondhand accounts. Where do you get off dictating morals to me? You don't think I'm a person that stands up for what's right?

You know nothing about what I'm doing, who I am, or anything about working at Uber except the worst of the worst. Yet here you are acting condescending, because you've read a bunch of newspaper articles you're morally superior.

I tremendously resent comments like yours. I hope you consider how offensive your comments are.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by uberengineer123 »

debatem1 wrote: post #690
uberengineer123 wrote: post #605

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>It sounds like the abuse is pretty universal, from the article: "It was normal for guys to refer to other guys as fags when they didn't participate in private parties where sex and drugs were involved." Full disclosure, I work at Uber. I have been staying out of this until now, but this point particularly grinds my gears. If I heard anything remotely like what was discussed in this article you bet your ass I'm going…

I had a similar experience at a previous company I worked at, and a similar reaction. When people heaped criticism on them for sexism I essentially said "no way, I've never seen any of that, this is outrageous, you're slandering the good guys". Well, as it turns out, they weren't. A female engineer I knew in passing wound up writing an essay similar to this one describing her horrible treatment at the hands of one of…

Thanks, this is pretty much exactly what I'm going through, especially because I personally know Susan. It is outrageous to hear what has happened to her, and has affected me quite personally.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by barleymash »

uberengineer123 wrote: post #685
anonymoose234 wrote: post #671

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>I had one opportunity to speak up when my female teammate was being discriminated against >He's a massive jackass too, but you can't fire people on the spot for being a massive jackass without a lot of evidence to back it up. The implication of this is that you also have experience at Uber working with somebody who is unfireable despite being a "massive jackass" and engaging in sex discrimination against at least on…

I feel like you didn't really read my post. You don't fire somebody the first, or even second, time they mess up. There are plenty of people at plenty of companies that /should/ be fired, but have not yet because you generally don't fire somebody without overwhelming evidence. This is not a problem exclusive to Uber. Despite the fact I pretty clearly explained the problem, you still read into it the way you wanted th…

Just because you don't think someone should be fired without "overwhelming evidence" (California is at-will, of course you can fire someone for being a massive jackass that makes/made sexist comments), doesn't mean your anecdote doesn't corroborate the sentiments of this article. Despite the fact that you felt like you dealt with the situation, it still shows that this type of thing happens at Uber, even in "your corner of the company", and that it likely happens more than you know -- when you aren't around, around others who are less likely to speak up, etc.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by kelukelugames »

sidlls wrote: post #181

Some of the responses to that article express a sentiment that women should fight back and not just silently take it. I wonder (doubt) if they've ever been abused. It's hard for someone who has been abused to come forward, let alone stand up to an abuser. Besides, men outnumber women in tech by a very large margin. It's on our shoulders to help women fight back. Strength in numbers is a thing, and having men who spea…

> It's easy to be practical about other people's problems.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by lenkite »

Tycho wrote: post #597
jastingo wrote: post #257

I'm not in the business of defending Uber - quite the contrary - but reading through the comments it seems that most people are assuming that this post by an anonymous person is 100% true. These types of posts are worrying to me. Why could this post not have been crafted by someone at Lyft? Or one of Uber's many other detractors? Given the PR nightmare that Uber is in why not pile on while the public seems primed for…

I wouldn't be surprised if this was fake. It seemed to hit on too many talking points and buzzwords. It has a "too good to be true" feel to it.

I didn't see any buzzwords or liberal talking points in this article. Could you provide specifics ? This article feels exactly as it would be written by a scared and angry person. Not everyone is cool,(as in calm headed) brilliant and courageous as Fowler. Fowler had the smarts, strength and level headedness to keep proof and you get the strong feeling that she has kept more proof hidden and ready to use as ammunition . I suspect she would make a very good troop leader if she had ever joined the military - her writing gives the vibe of an very strong willed woman. But expecting most folks (whether women or men) to be like her and track all facts and evidence in a personal crisis situation is expecting too much of anybody.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by shultays »

I am aware of sexism in my field but the characters in article sound like bullshit to me. It is like all the evil characters from soap operas work at Uber now.

  team members referred to a new Asian American recruit as slanty eye joe
seriously?

  “You know what heels do don’t you?” he smirked while placing his hands on his behind so as to suggest that they make them look bigger. He then patted on my shoulder and squeezed it before walking away
I am rolling my eyes now.

I can accept a few person in a big company is that racist/sexist, but whole company is like that or overlooks this stuff?

edit: to clarify, "I can accept" is used as "I find it possible". I am not saying it is keep such parties at a company. English is not my main language and I worded this very poorly

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by kelukelugames »

stale2002 wrote: post #400
kristofferR wrote: post #375

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Many people hate Uber. Maybe Amy wrote this. Maybe a taxi driver wrote this. I have no idea, and to pretend otherwise is to fool myself in order to confirm my preconceived notions.

Maybe you should follow the trend. One person coming forward is not evidence. Evidence is when every single Uber engineer that I talk to, backs up these claims. Don't focus on this one case. Focus on all the other women who are going to come forward in the next couple weeks.

The CEO of my previous company called Travis an asshole. It was pretty funny at the time, but now not so much.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by uberengineer123 »

barleymash wrote: post #693
uberengineer123 wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you didn't really read my post. You don't fire somebody the first, or even second, time they mess up. There are plenty of people at plenty of companies that /should/ be fired, but have not yet because you generally don't fire somebody without overwhelming evidence. This is not a problem exclusive to Uber. Despite the fact I pretty clearly explained the problem, you still read into it the way you wanted th…

Just because you don't think someone should be fired without "overwhelming evidence" (California is at-will, of course you can fire someone for being a massive jackass that makes/made sexist comments), doesn't mean your anecdote doesn't corroborate the sentiments of this article. Despite the fact that you felt like you dealt with the situation, it still shows that this type of thing happens at Uber, even in "your cor…

>(California is at-will, of course you can fire someone for being a massive jackass that makes/made sexist comments)

There are more considerations like whether you're willing to pay unemployment, or open yourself up to a lawsuit depending on the circumstances.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by ryandrake »

djsumdog wrote: post #372
ryandrake wrote: post #234

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It could take 6 months just to find a job, get through the recruiters, pass the whiteboard hazing, negotiate your package, and give notice. You're advocating starting your next job search your first day at the company.

I think you mean 1 ~ 2 months. In places like the Valley, Seattle, NYC .. the market is insane. You can pick up new jobs insanely fast.

I guess if you literally don't care what job you get, you could pick up a new one insanely fast. If you're targeting a handful of companies, or a better role than you have, I don't think the market is as rosy as you describe.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by kelukelugames »

sgustard wrote: post #262
vinceguidry wrote: post #16

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There's enough information given in the story that virtually anybody who worked at Uber can name the people involved. Public naming and shaming is understandably desired, but unnecessary. It invites legal action.

I wouldn't call it "unnecessary." Eventually Mike will quit or get fired, then repeat this behavior at another company.

This plus 1000. Look what happened with Amit Singhal.

http://www.recode.net/2017/2/27/14745360/amit-singhal-google...

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