>“There is no place for ethics in this business sweetheart."
"Oh, we are doing pet names for our coworkers now? From now on I will refer to you as 'dickhead'".
I am an Uber survivor
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#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's assume I am an internet troll. What stops me from anonymously signing up for Medium and publishing a similar story, now that there are two out there that corroborate?
You would be a pretty lousy troll in that case.
How many thousands of votes on Hacker News are required to graduate out of lousy trolling?
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#503I'm not in the business of defending Uber - quite the contrary - but reading through the comments it seems that most people are assuming that this post by an anonymous person is 100% true. These types of posts are worrying to me. Why could this post not have been crafted by someone at Lyft? Or one of Uber's many other detractors? Given the PR nightmare that Uber is in why not pile on while the public seems primed for…
Definitely agree caution is a good stance to take -- as much as we need to be supportive of victims we also need to be smart about doing our research. With that said, given Uber's recent history (Fowler) and without any action from Uber's higher-ups that indicates they actually give a shit (frankly a twitter apology from Kalanick and a half-assed 'investigation' isn't enough at this point), I'm far more inclined to err on the side of supporting the alleged victim than the alleged perpetrator in this case.
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#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't think misogyny or harassment is connected to nerdy-ness or introversion/extroversion, in either direction. The methods probably very, but I don't think any personality type is free of the proverbial bad eggs.
>>I really don't think misogyny or harassment is connected to nerdy-ness or introversion/extroversion, in either direction. When was the last time you witnessed an introverted/nerdy person proposition a coworker, or even a female friend, for sex? Or even a date? Introverts by definition aren't socially aggressive. They also tend to not hang out with socially aggressive people, from whom they could learn such attitude…
That's not the definition of introvert at all, you're using it as a proxy to mean shy or even socially awkward.
Introverts have sex and date too. Using your logic (which I don't necessarily agree with) I could argue that they are more likely to feel frustrated with a lack of options, and to abuse any power they do have.
Anecdotally, most of the harassment I have seen (in academia at least) has come from introverts -- things like staring at a colleague's chest, awkward comments that bring up a colleagues femininity / looks / relationship status / childbearing status, and drunken propositions at conferences. It's not as malicious as the examples from Uber as most of the time the man can claim to be unaware that his actions were making the woman uncomfortable, but it persists nevertheless.
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#506Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is far from truth, never mind hard truth and your example is way off point. I would say there are actions which clearly don't need an indication from the aggrieved party to recognise as abuse, such as seriously telling someone to "quit being a whiny bitch" from a position of power, in front of a team, in the workplace. You don't need to be a mind reader to understand this is not acceptable behaviour. The…
>There are clearly cases in which attempting to stand up to abusive behaviour has the potential to cause more problems (at the very least in the short term) than by staying silent You seem to be confusing "standing up to abuse" and "indicating that behavior is abusive." The second is very risk-free and what I demand from anyone who wants to call themselves a victim. Again, it doesnt have to be verbal. But if youre ma…
My problem with your comment is the entitlement you claim to define acceptable behaviour of those being abused "what I demand from anyone who wants to call themselves a victim". Also people don't want to call themselves victims, they are victims who may feel able to make that known.
Letting a bully know that they are having an effect on you is far from risk free.
You also seem to believe that people have no responsibility for making people around them comfortable unless they are explicitly told it is making them uncomfortable. Everyone has a responsibility not to be ass.
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#507Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eric Holder certainly does already have an existing business relationship with Uber- http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01685274cc944196af9016ad0a875...
Is it just me or are other people also constantly surprised by how many big names have their hands in the 'uber pot'? It's like there's a massive list of investors and shareholders who are all riding this "sure thing" to big riches. Which makes me wonder two things: 1.) is uber too big too fail? are there so many rich and powerful people invested that they will make uber succeed no matter or 2.) this thing could be t…
Nothing really surprising. I would imagine with some thinking and maths one could come up with a number e.g 5,000(just a made up number) power elites controlling media, finance, law and business but may not keep public facing roles all the time.
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#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sexual harassment is defined in the legal code, for the US at least. There's a pretty healthy history of cases to clarify the details. If you're curious about it, your HR department probably has some training materials.
>If you're curious about it, your HR department probably has some training materials. There you go again, with the pointless grandstanding. It seems like you never had any intention of having a genuine discussion, since I can't find a single one of your comments that doesn't read as venomous and disingenuous. You're exactly the type of person that needs HR, and I mean that in a bad way really.
Not sure what you mean by grandstanding. You asked how harassment can be objectively observed. I explained that it's defined in the law. Did I misunderstand what you meant?
BTW, I try to be polite, but ain't so easy when you're accusing and insulting me.
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#509Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There are clearly cases in which attempting to stand up to abusive behaviour has the potential to cause more problems (at the very least in the short term) than by staying silent You seem to be confusing "standing up to abuse" and "indicating that behavior is abusive." The second is very risk-free and what I demand from anyone who wants to call themselves a victim. Again, it doesnt have to be verbal. But if youre ma…
My problem with your comment is the entitlement you claim to define acceptable behaviour of those being abused "what I demand from anyone who wants to call themselves a victim". Also people don't want to call themselves victims, they are victims who may feel able to make that known. Letting a bully know that they are having an effect on you is far from risk free. You also seem to believe that people have no responsib…
>You also seem to believe that people have no responsibility for making people around them comfortable unless they are explicitly told it is making them uncomfortable. Everyone has a responsibility not to be ass.
I do not believe this.
>My problem with your comment is the entitlement you claim to define acceptable behaviour of those being abused "what I demand from anyone who wants to call themselves a victim". Also people don't want to call themselves victims, they are victims who may feel able to make that known.
Well if they want my sympathy those are my standards, sorry.
And by the way this:
>Also people don't want to call themselves victims, they are victims who may feel able to make that known.
Is not remotely true.
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#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
No it shouldnt, because its not nonsense, instead youve responded to a strawman. Thats ok. Its a shame though. To be clear, youve said a bunch of things nobody would disagree with, as though i disagree with them. Its pretty dishonest of you.
> If you cant express your own discomfort, its not anyone but your fault youre uncomfortable. Forgive me if I don't buy your bleats of "strawman". You not only believe it, but you believe it so much you wished to express it in probably the grossest way I've seen somebody express an idea around here who wasn't literally advocating "race realism". It is always the asshole's fault for being an asshole and making others…
>It is always the asshole's fault for being an asshole and making others uncomfortable. It is no one's responsibility but their own. Put this victim-blaming nonsense back in some dark hole where it belongs.
Youre wrong.