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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by wavefunction »

favorited wrote: post #361
losteverything wrote: post #309

Two comments Future Amy's should always be prepared to start recording at a moment's notice. Think Roger Ailes If you ignore a verbal wrong said to someone else and you don't say something, then it is like you said it yourself.

> Future Amy's should always be prepared to start recording at a moment's notice It's not always that simple. California is a 2-party consent state. INAL, but my understanding is that a private conversation (in a non-public place) means all parties have an expectation of privacy, which makes recording that conversation without the consent of all parties a felony. Presumably, getting consent from your harasser to reco…

You can record things like keeping a journal.

"1/1/20 My manager made me feel uncomfortable again today by discussing swim-suits and his upcoming trip to X. I tried to leave the room but he closed the door and asked me if I liked to..."

It doesn't have to be electronic in nature.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by mememachine »

xapata wrote: post #418
mememachine wrote: post #378

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>Personally, the uber story absolutely did not read that way. The issue is with people in these comments making overly broad claims. From my comment. Again, I specifically addressed this. Did you read my comment?

If you're not talking about this situation at Uber, then why is your comment relevant? Despite your claim that you're discussing other situations, it seems like you are trying to say the post author is a "victim" rather than a victim.

I didnt read this one, I read the first one, and in the first they were a victim for sure.

If you want to project some ulterior motive onto me, go for it. Don't pretend its got anything to do with what I actually think, though.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by chetanahuja »

At this point, after all the allegations of abuse and bad behavior at Uber, if the CEO is not fired, the community here must hold the Uber board complicit in these shenanigans. The situation here seems similar (or maybe worse) in magnitude as that at Zenefits. The board there took swift action once the accusations came out in public and perhaps saved the company (at least in the short term). What can the HN community, made up of founders/investors/technologists do here? Push for a consumer boycott of Uber? Refuse to work for Uber? Refuse to do business with Uber?

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by rubicon33 »

asdfologist wrote: post #402
ryandrake wrote: post #371

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Let's assume I am an internet troll. What stops me from anonymously signing up for Medium and publishing a similar story, now that there are two out there that corroborate?

You would be a pretty lousy troll in that case.

By what measure? If getting a group of people to be upset, and riled up, or otherwise add fuel to a fire, is the aim of a troll, then this would have been a very successful one.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by gcr »

joatmon-snoo wrote: post #349
gcr wrote: post #185

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Important other reason to pursue sexual harassment litigation: * It gives other survivors a statement of solidarity and validates their experiences. It says that other survivors really weren't crazy; that others had this experience too. For someone who's left doubting their sanity after an incident like this happened, this kind of support is immensely powerful. * It forces these incidents to be drawn into the eyes of…

> There's nothing that says we should make barriers to litigation and cost of failure so high. Who said anything about "should"? The fact is that the barriers are that high.

You're right. Might as well bury our heads in the sand then; nothing can be done. /s

We can't improve things until we allow ourselves to imagine better realities. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Post by memmcgee »

stale2002 wrote: post #395
sydd wrote: post #365

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Its not discrediting, its asking for proof. There are some very harsh accusations here. And if there is one thing that I learned about the Internet, that its full with trolls. Just look at some Reddit dramas on what lengths people will go to troll others.

The proof is all the other women who are going to come forward. The individual cases don't matter, because that can always be pushed off with "bad apple" arguments. What matters is the trend. And there is DEFINITELY a trend. Every female Uber engineer will tell you that.

Indeed. Fowler already came out in public and said this is a systemic problem. If you accept that Fowler is a credible source, which I think is a fair assessment considering she's a talented and well regarded engineer who has nothing to gain from accusing Uber of such serious claims, then any other women who come forward can be given the benefit of the doubt that their experiences are real.

Also if you know women at Uber, you can also establish a trend.

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Post by ogezi »

RodericDay wrote: post #284
spaceflunky wrote: post #260

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Is it just me or are other people also constantly surprised by how many big names have their hands in the 'uber pot'? It's like there's a massive list of investors and shareholders who are all riding this "sure thing" to big riches. Which makes me wonder two things: 1.) is uber too big too fail? are there so many rich and powerful people invested that they will make uber succeed no matter or 2.) this thing could be t…

I hope they end up like Theranos.

I want them to change instead of ending up like Theranos. If Uber went down, a lot of good people would be out of a job (both employees and drivers) and it would burn a lot investors, thus negatively affecting the funding landscape for years to come.

To reiterate, I wish Uber to change. I don't wish them to fail.

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Post by theklub »

soheil wrote: post #179
harryh wrote: post #31

Why would someone write an anonymous blog post but then declare that they are: 1) A woman in her late 20s 2) Who used to work at Uber in Engineering working on database and networking scalability 3) Went to a top private college 4) has a Masters in Information Systems 5) previous to Uber worked as a Data Analyst in a tech company in the Midwest and left when it was acquired by a Chinese firm 6) Is 5 foot 7 Caucasian…

Did a search of all current/past Uber employees based on public data mainly from LI, found only 6 people with those degrees and none were female. Did another search for people who worked as Data Analyst and worked at Uber came up with 6 different people again all male. As other answers suggest the information could be twisted, but definitely not "slightly".

Yeah, I read the first paragraph and thought it sounded wicked fake, way too storied up. Maybe Lyft hired a writer.

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Post by xapata »

Arizhel wrote: post #351
TorKlingberg wrote: post #335

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I really don't think misogyny or harassment is connected to nerdy-ness or introversion/extroversion, in either direction. The methods probably very, but I don't think any personality type is free of the proverbial bad eggs.

>I really don't think misogyny or harassment is connected to nerdy-ness or introversion/extroversion, in either direction. I completely disagree. Stereotypically nerdy, shy, introverted men are not going to be extremely aggressive towards women in social settings; that's why they stereotypically have such a hard time getting dates: they're not even comfortable talking to women. They're certainly not going to be touch…

People behave differently in different contexts, to the extent of appearing to have entirely different personalities. You might be surprised at what an otherwise shy, nice person might type in a semi-private chat room.
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