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Post by sidlls »

jimbokun wrote: post #190
sidlls wrote: post #181

Some of the responses to that article express a sentiment that women should fight back and not just silently take it. I wonder (doubt) if they've ever been abused. It's hard for someone who has been abused to come forward, let alone stand up to an abuser. Besides, men outnumber women in tech by a very large margin. It's on our shoulders to help women fight back. Strength in numbers is a thing, and having men who spea…

She did fight back, told HR about what was happening, stood up to the abusers in meetings. Then when she was physically handled and verbally threatened in a meeting with many eye witnesses, nothing was done to support her or protect her. What else do they expect her to do? Bring a weapon to work and shoot everyone?

I took their comments to mean directly to the abuser in a more aggressive way than "please stop" or even "that's not appropriate."

But you're right: in any adult, rational sense she "fought back."

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Post by gaius »

jordigh wrote: post #95

> tried to trigger me Man, I really wish the internet hadn't decided that "trigger" means to anger or upset someone instead of the original meaning: provoke an anxiety or panic attack, like lighting firecrackers around war veterans. Not that what Uber is doing here to "Amy" isn't despicable. I'm just a little bothered by this relatively frivolous usage of the word "trigger" compared to the original purpose for using…

"Trigger warnings" come from liberal arts colleges afraid of upsetting students with material that the previous generation of students coped with somehow, that's the first time I heard it used in this context.

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Post by waisbrot »

mi100hael wrote: post #125

> I remember how the interviewers constantly tried to trigger me and insulted my intelligence to see if I break under pressure. What the fuck? I'd walk and never entertain an offer from a company that spent the interview insulting and provoking me. Who would be stoked to get an offer after an experience like that, much less accept it??

Famous example: http://www.businessinsider.com/hyman-rickover-interview-tech...

I don't know if it's actually useful when interviewing for a job with lives on the line, but I would guess that it creates an effect where the worse the interview experience is the happier you feel when you pass it.

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Post by brianpgordon »

leggomylibro wrote: post #132

>Travis is well known to protect high performing team leaders no matter how abusive they are towards their employees. The HR team was known to be deftly[sic] afraid of Travis’s tendency to blame and ridicule the women and yell at HR whenever they went in with complaints of abuse. I heard about Travis personally congratulating Mike#2 for meeting strict deadlines months after I complained to HR about my abuse. This is…

Eric Holder certainly does already have an existing business relationship with Uber-

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01685274cc944196af9016ad0a875...

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Post by logfromblammo »

late2part wrote: post #60

Seems to me there are 4 issues here: 1. Racism. Not okay. Fire him. 2. Sexist behavior Not okay. Warn and then fire him. 3. Working people hard That's okay. I was made to work hard. Long days no breaks hard deadlines. That's the world we live in. 4. How this affected her I'm sorry she went through this and it's not okay. How she chooses to feel and deal with this are under her control. She shouldn't have perpetuated…

> 3. Working people hard That's okay. I was made to work hard. Long days no breaks hard deadlines. That's the world we live in.

No, it's not okay. But this one is not the company's problem; it's on the union, or lack thereof.

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Post by ubercore »

_xhok wrote: post #127
ubercore wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My default is "show me the evidence", but I believe Susan Fowler's account because she put her reputation on the line and I was willing to trust that she left, opposed to got fired, due to non-performance reasons based on being able to somewhat approximate/confirm her technical abilities. ... is a privileged viewpoint, and offensive to me. The author doesn't have to prove to your satisfaction that this happened to…

Wanting evidence is privileged? Is everything but complete credulity now considered "privileged?" She doesn't have to, but putting it that way, people don't have to believe her. Has the word "privileged" so lost all meaning that it's privileged to merely want evidence? I reject that I'm somehow contributing to an oppressive patriarchy by wanting claims to be substantiated in the post-Enlightenment way: with proof. Pe…

I hear you re: evidence. My point being, we're not in a courtroom, the bar for evidence is difference. I personally think it's worth calling out that the viewpoint being echoed that "Sounds absurd, don't believe" is a problematic one.

I don't deny anyone wanting evidence that opinion, but I think it's also really easy for someone with the privilege of not having to deal with the things women in the tech workplace have to deal with to shut down articles like this one.

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Post by ifdefdebug »

mjolk wrote: post #160
jellicle wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what company do you work for?

My own. I'm not making claims of a sexist, racist, and hostile environment in a company, so for what it's worth, where I work isn't relevant.

Well, you made a call for someone to deanonymize herself yet you are not willing to deanonymize yourself on that account, perhaps because you feel that it might hurt your reputation not because you are wrong, but just because the internet is the shitty place it is...

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Post by ohyes »

geofft wrote: post #191
ohyes wrote: post #177

Why aren't any of these shitbags getting named? This type of thing should ruin the guy's career. Fair or not I'm just going to assume Travis and anyone working for him is just like this disgusting mike#2 fellow.

This is why: https://twitter.com/susanthesquark/status/835193441814392833 Even assuming no malice, a rational economic actor faced with a career-ending allegation of bad behavior is interested in discrediting the accusation via all possible means, including discrediting, shaming, or embarrassing the accuser to force a retraction. And once you're assuming malice, they're especially interested in it.

To my knowledge Susan didn't specifically name anyone?

It seems like the smear campaign will happen regardless as long as the woman is alleging bad behavior like this. (Presumably because there is a cadre of psychopaths who think this sort of sexism should be allowed).

So I don't see where the disincentive is for the abused to go nuclear first. (The abuser clearly has no compunction or ethics regarding escalating the situation, she's just a 'whiny little bitch' to him).

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by [deleted] »

mjolk wrote: post #152
ubercore wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My default is "show me the evidence", but I believe Susan Fowler's account because she put her reputation on the line and I was willing to trust that she left, opposed to got fired, due to non-performance reasons based on being able to somewhat approximate/confirm her technical abilities. ... is a privileged viewpoint, and offensive to me. The author doesn't have to prove to your satisfaction that this happened to…

> ... is a privileged viewpoint, and offensive to me. "Privileged"? I'm not sure how or why you chose to take offense, but I'm surprised that anything about that was even slightly controversial. > The author doesn't have to prove to your satisfaction that this happened to her to write this article You're right, but that doesn't mean I have to believe what the author claims and doesn't mean I can't respond to it. The…

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