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Annotation is now a web standard

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Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by hakanito »

skywhopper wrote: post #137
blueyes wrote: post #77

I know Dan Whaley, the author of the post, personally. This is not about promoting a company. This is about allowing people with knowledge to combat fake news. He has been working to make annotation a web standard for years. The fake news that he, in particular, is worried about is climate change denial. The pages of the WSJ and much of the Web are riddled with BS. This annotation enablement will allow, for example,…

How will these annotations be seen by anyone not already on board with the message? Maybe that's all that it's for? If not, how do you keep it from being overloaded by trolls?

It would be interesting to have some kind of wikipedia system together with the annotation stuff. Community edited fact checking. "Wikifacts"

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by character0 »

echelon wrote: post #57
andrewchambers wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you classify genius as scummy?

I'm on mobile, and all I'm getting are AMP links (ugh), but there are a lot of results when you google "Rap Genius controversy". They tried dirty SEO tactics that Google ultimately punished them for, and their staff have made off-color remarks in the past. There's a lot more if you search for it.

And they promptly fired Mahbod:

http://www.recode.net/2014/5/26/11627246/rap-genius-co-found...

Things at Genius have been pretty controversy-free since 2014.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by dwringer »

flexie wrote: post #115
nostrademons wrote: post #19

Is anyone using these? The blog post is put out by a company I've never heard of, and the credits listed on it include nobody who works on a browser, no major websites, and no comment-widget company. Historically, web standards where a committee gets together and decides how a feature is going to look without the buy-in of users or browser vendors have a very poor track record of adoption. The way actually-successful…

First, this would require that the browser vendors adopt the standard, right? How long time does that usually take? Is it a few months for Chrome/Firefox and a few years for Safari/IE, or how would that usually play out?

IE adopt a standard? Now I've heard everything. EDIT: To whomever downvoted this - I have one word: CSS. EDIT 2: To whomever downvoted after I edited the first time - I have to say, you're not making a case for your side of the argument.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by dragonwriter »

tyingq wrote: post #70
dragonwriter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just decouples commenting communities from publishers of the content being commented on, it doesn't change (increase or decrease) the work required or tools available for moderation. In effect, it just provides a standard structure for consumer-driven discovery of what already happens in off-site discussions that already happen (e.g., via sharing and dicussing the source on social media.)

It increases the discoverability significantly. The negative information or spam that's not on your site is suddenly...on your site. It's like making it mandatory for restaurants to have a live updating Yelp! review display scrolling at the front door. (assuming I understand the proposal correctly...I didn't see much control there for website owners)

> It's like making it mandatory for restaurants to have a live updating Yelp! review display scrolling at the front door.

It's more like AR technology existing and allowing consumers to have any review source they choose accessible and popping up live reviews as they walk by businesses (actually, without the actual AR part, mobile virtual assistance like Google Now provide that today based on geolocation, so much it's really something that already exists in physical space extending into cyberspace); but, yes, you control your content, but not what other people say about your content, and not how other people find and share what other people have said about your content.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by tyingq »

dragonwriter wrote: post #145
tyingq wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It increases the discoverability significantly. The negative information or spam that's not on your site is suddenly...on your site. It's like making it mandatory for restaurants to have a live updating Yelp! review display scrolling at the front door. (assuming I understand the proposal correctly...I didn't see much control there for website owners)

> It's like making it mandatory for restaurants to have a live updating Yelp! review display scrolling at the front door. It's more like AR technology existing and allowing consumers to have any review source they choose accessible and popping up live reviews as they walk by businesses (actually, without the actual AR part, mobile virtual assistance like Google Now provide that today based on geolocation, so much it'…

I'm assuming browsers will implement this natively, with a default provider, much like they do search engines.

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad.

It is, though, more discoverable than anything preceding it in this space, assuming browsers leverage it. It would likely create a fair amount of churn.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by huula »

I'm using a self-made web page annotation extension on chrome everyday. It let's you mark the important information on any webpage, which is very useful for docs that you will come back and visit frequently.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by thekodols »

This is such a great project. The potential here is just immense. I wish dwhly and everyone at hypothes.is the best of luck.

P.S. This url - https://hypothes.is/register - accessible from most pages by clicking "sign up" in the top-right corner, presents an error and doesn't redirect anywhere. https://hypothes.is/signup works fine, however.

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by sp332 »

cwyers wrote: post #105
anamoulous wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://genius.it/11417147/news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1374...

Derivative works of course being protected by fair use. And if Genius is hosting the page that's annotated, that's one thing. If they're simply proxying it on demand and adding annotations, then I don't see how it violates copyright unless every proxy server violates copyright.

Derivative works are what are banned by copyright. They are the things that are not covered by fair use. Transformative works that really change a work aren't covered by copyright because they don't really count as a copy anymore. Fair use is this other thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors

Re: Annotation is now a web standard

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Post by [deleted] »

cwyers wrote: post #105
anamoulous wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://genius.it/11417147/news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1374...

Derivative works of course being protected by fair use. And if Genius is hosting the page that's annotated, that's one thing. If they're simply proxying it on demand and adding annotations, then I don't see how it violates copyright unless every proxy server violates copyright.

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