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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by flexie »

alecco wrote: post #6

It's sad how even the Independent is now taken by misleading headlines. They are considering stopping it 'after a “cut-off date”'' to prevent abuse of people from poor eastern Europe countries to flood UK before it leaves the EU. Right there in the first couple of paragraphs. I used to have a lot of respect for the BBC, Financial Times, and The Independent. Even The Guardian being partisan had the basic decency of pu…

It very much is an "end to EU citizens' right to residency" for those many Romanians and Bulgarians who enter after March 15th. So there is nothing misleading in the headline. Given that it affects thousands of people it's not hyperbole either. It's also a blatant violation of the EU treaty, which has not yet been terminated.

Not the best way to start the negotiations and I suspect British nationals will experience reciprocal measures in Bulgaria/Romania.

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Post by tiatia »

tobltobs wrote: post #134
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was thinking of emigrating anywhere and I knew the door would close in two years then I would bring forward my plans, if I found out it was closing in a couple of weeks I'd think it was already too late. I don't see why this is controversial.

I was asking for facts, not gut feelings. Can you name any kind of certificate or any other kind of paper a immigrant could get now which would help him in the future?

A marriage certificate?

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Post by customersupport »

Well, the UK really seems to put a tough stance on immigration now:

Woman deported from UK despite being married to Briton for 27 years

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-...

There is a German saying: "God knew, why he put the island monkeys on on island. But he did not expect them to build ships..."

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EasyTiger_ wrote: post #89
pavlov wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both sides of this debate are equally guilty of accusing the others of astroturfing. To liberals, any pro-Trump poster must be a Russian operating out of a St. Petersburg fake news factory. To conservatives, any anti-Trump poster must be a paid protester on the payroll of George Soros. I feel it would make sense for HN to have a full ban on any accusations of astroturfing or paid trolling.

And yet you don't see any blatant pro-Brexit or pro-Trump stories here

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by tobltobs »

tiatia wrote: post #162
tobltobs wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was asking for facts, not gut feelings. Can you name any kind of certificate or any other kind of paper a immigrant could get now which would help him in the future?

A marriage certificate?

Why would you have to immigrate _now_ for a marriage certificate? Do you think the situation will worsen even more for couples married after the cut off date?

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by alecco »

dgelks wrote: post #85

As a CTO of a London based tech startup who has just employed an EU national with a start date after the 15th of March this article is terrifying.

UK Work Permits are trivial to get for tech workers from anywhere in the world.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by CalRobert »

ascorbic wrote: post #125
pjc50 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ireland is a special case; the Ireland Act 1949 provides that "Ireland is not a foreign country", and the Good Friday Agreement requires an open border between Eire and NI. Like everything else, this is now subject to uncertainty. http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citize... (The possibility of NI rejoining Éire has now moved from "unthinkable" to "maybe". If a border gets imposed as part of Brexit…

There hasn't been a word from the UK government about how this could be achieved. There seems to be no realistic way to retain an open border with the Republic of Ireland while not having an open border with the rest of the EU. The mythical Romanian could just fly to Dublin, drive to NI and catch a ferry. The only solution that I can see is to move the border to the North Sea. An open border with the Republic, but bo…

"drive to NI and catch a ferry."

Of course, the implicit assumption there is that anyone going to NI is doing so to get to Britain. What about the mythical Romanian who just moves to Belfast and sets up a life there? Is that a failure of UK immigration policy? (Maybe it's not - I'm genuinely curious what people think). I'm not from NI, but it doesn't seem terribly polite of British politicians to suggest that people would go to NI just to get to the "real" UK (aka Britain), as though NI isn't a worthwhile destination on its own.

The options I've seen floated range from deputizing ROI immigration officers to enforce UK immigration policy, to imposing a hard land border between ROI and NI (I really, really, really hope we don't end up with that), to imposing document checks for travelers between Britain and NI, which seems to be suggesting that nobody from the EU would want to go to NI just to live in NI.

In my view, at least, all of these options are a bit shit.

(I use the term "Britain" here to refer to the island occupied by England, Wales, and Scotland, distinct from the UK, which is England, Wales, Scotland, and NI)

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Post by pimlottc »

DanBC wrote: post #82
rodionos wrote: post #34

Is there a government resource supporting these statistics: > 3.6 million EU citizens who are already in Britain > 1.2 million British citizens living in other EU countries I like the Economist in this regard, they seem to always reference source data. It could be explained by the differences in editorial policies or the fact that the Economist is on a weekly release schedule, so their fact-checkers have more time to…

It's a bit complicated, but: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati... > 3.2 million of the non-UK born residents were born in the EU (16% of whom held British nationality, 83% held EU nationality and 1% held non-EU nationality). > 5.4 million of the non-UK born residents were born outside of the EU (54% of whom held British nationality, 5% held EU nationality and 41% held non-EU nationality) –…

Those ONS numbers you cited would account for 2.92 million EU citizens living in the UK (3.2m * 0.83 + 5.4m * 0.05), but there's also the possibility of UK-born EU citizens living in the UK. Which admittedly doesn't exact fit most people's definitions of immigrants but may well be included in the Independent's number.

It's also not clear how how the ONS numbers account for dual citizenship, since their numbers all up exactly to 100%.

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Post by zoner »

pavlov wrote: post #56
zoner wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. We just bought a house last year, these headlines are making my heart skip a beat :) Will I be kicked out but still need to pay the mortgage? Nonesense these false news portals these days are. However, I believe putting a control on immigration is the right thing to do.

So you're a EU citizen living in Britain, and now that you're in, you want the borders to be closed?

But there was immigration without control for so long, with it's negative (and many positive) drawbacks. There should be a limit on that. Also, in big cities there are irreversible cultural changes which I consider harmful. Huge mosques, no-go zones, etc. I don't want my children to grow up in something like that.

Therefore, my presence is only temporary.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

pjc50 wrote: post #130
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know that yet.

What? We know what the existing system is: residence is a necessary but not sufficient condition for becoming a permanent resident. People who have lived here for ages under the free movement rights are applying for permanent residence, and some are being rejected: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/27/rejections-e...

>What?

Every politician I have listened to has said they want existing migrants to stay, it's absurd to think that wouldn't be the case.

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