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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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"Nothing about expelling current ones. " Don't be so sure about that: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-...

This case is completely unrelated to the rights of EU citizens to live and work in the UK.

While slightly different laws may apply, it clearly shows the attitude of UK's officials.

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> If they want to kick me out Did the article? This is about a cutoff date to stop a wave of last minute immigrants. Nothing about expelling current ones. Don't let clickbait headlines make you angry.

They probably won't be expelling anyone, but the UK government has explicitly said that they'll use the rights of EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip, so if I were an EU citizen in the UK I'd be worried.

They've explicitly said they don't want to use them as a bargaining chip, but would be foolish to give it up uniliaterally.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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"Nothing about expelling current ones. " Don't be so sure about that: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-...

This case is completely unrelated to the rights of EU citizens to live and work in the UK.

For now. Presumably even if you were here for >5 years now as an EU citizen, if you went to europe for >2 years, you wouldn't be allowed in, the same as this lady.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Why? Serious question. What kind of benefit, advantage would they achieve? To my understanding of the UK immigration system there wouldn't be any.

If I was thinking of emigrating anywhere and I knew the door would close in two years then I would bring forward my plans, if I found out it was closing in a couple of weeks I'd think it was already too late. I don't see why this is controversial.

I was asking for facts, not gut feelings. Can you name any kind of certificate or any other kind of paper a immigrant could get now which would help him in the future?

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The United States is not a welcoming place for EU citizens. Immigration is strictly limited, the procedures expensive and time-consuming. If that's the bar for the UK government, the grandparent poster is right: it's not going to be worth even looking at Britain. To put it another way: if working in London, New York and San Francisco are going to be equally difficult to arrange, I'm not sure why anyone would prefer L…

These can be valid points for some, and carry less weight for others (say, if you live in Paris and are offered a good job in London, and they help you deal with the visa stuff, for most it's probably also nice to be able to visit Paris much more easily than you could from NY or SF.) At any rate, "not sure why anyone would prefer London with the post-EU laws" is very different from "they decided they don't want me be…

> if you live in Paris and are offered a good job in London, and they help you deal with the visa stuff

Note that the freedom of movement in the EU means there isn't any "visa stuff" to deal with.

An EU citizen moving to the UK needs to fill in a form, to get a "National Insurance" number. The same would be required of a British citizen that didn't have one, for example if they'd been born and lived overseas before moving to the UK.

There are no other requirements that don't also apply to British / resident people moving within the UK.

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As a British guy in Finland I can say that the reason many people moved to the UK was because of the perception of easy work, easy integration, and good practices. Those things might exist in other countries, I don't know of them personally, but I do know that moving to Finland is non-trivial. The language is hard, and unless you speak it you've only got unskilled jobs to find - with high competition. Gaining residen…

Actually, customer facing unskilled jobs are harder to get while only speaking English.

I could believe that; I was thinking of things like cleaning and seasonal work such as fruit-picking.

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Why wouldn't they stay, legally or ilegally, in the equally rich Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria? All of which are closer to the origin countries than the UK. Or why wouldn't they go in the slightly-less-richer, but culturally closer Spain or Italy? Especially since the weather is much nicer over there :)

As a British guy in Finland I can say that the reason many people moved to the UK was because of the perception of easy work, easy integration, and good practices. Those things might exist in other countries, I don't know of them personally, but I do know that moving to Finland is non-trivial. The language is hard, and unless you speak it you've only got unskilled jobs to find - with high competition. Gaining residen…

There are lots of English speaking jobs with computers in most countries, including Finland. (I worked there a few years, loved the place but the allergy information was horrible).

The sad part with all this is that Scotland will certainly leave the Union now. It is like seeing two old friends getting a divorce. :-(

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OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...

Is this true? Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.

Pretty sure Romania is in Schengen. As someone that spends more than half the year in Romania I know I hear it mentioned a lot.

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It's sad how even the Independent is now taken by misleading headlines. They are considering stopping it 'after a “cut-off date”'' to prevent abuse of people from poor eastern Europe countries to flood UK before it leaves the EU. Right there in the first couple of paragraphs. I used to have a lot of respect for the BBC, Financial Times, and The Independent. Even The Guardian being partisan had the basic decency of pu…

I mean... it's a headline. The point is to read the story.

It's a bad headline, and the point is to trick people into loading the story.

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The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up. Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).

>Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time Are you putting money on that?

Real estate always goes up...
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