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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by ganfortran »

zoner wrote: post #41
nothrabannosir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

Same here. We just bought a house last year, these headlines are making my heart skip a beat :) Will I be kicked out but still need to pay the mortgage? Nonesense these false news portals these days are. However, I believe putting a control on immigration is the right thing to do.

How hypocritical

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Post by wastedhours »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #27
struppi wrote: post #12

OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...

It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

Define "rush". There perhaps might be a small uptick in people who were considering it, had plans in place and would now accelerate those plans, but are we so arrogant as a nation that we think EU citizens who have had the option to come here for years would now think, as we're about to say "fk you" to our closest neighbours and embark on years of uncertainty, will suddenly uproot their lives to come here?

I have friends and loved ones who moved here from the countries mentioned who contribute to this country infinitely more than a large number of native Brits. No one ever really talks about the human side of all of this.

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Post by gadders »

lopezyignacio wrote: post #50
nothrabannosir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

Also EU citizen living here for 2 years (so not entitled to the permanent residency). I own a UK company and pay my share of taxes. Still I'm scared I'm going to be asked to leave at some point. Also, if I go visit my family on the continent, am I going to be able to come back ?

The UK Prime Minister has said that she actually wants EU citizens to remain in the UK post-Brexit, but it is dependent on similar rights being granted to UK citizens in EU countries. It's not a decision wholly up to the UK.

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Post by lawless123 »

kyledrake wrote: post #91
pavlov wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bulgarians have had all this time (10 years) to go live in the UK legally. Why would they suddenly rush to leave everything behind and go live there illegally? It doesn't make any sense.

Is this just straight up racism? What is special about these two specific countries that doesn't apply to any of the other ones in the EU?

Decades of tabloid news have convinced Britons that the UK is great place to live in spite of the UK having some of the poorest places in the northern EU.

http://inequalitybriefing.org/graphics/briefing_43_UK_region...

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

alexbilbie wrote: post #67
struppi wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and it's also fairly easy to forsee that this rush will not happen, if, during the negotiations, the economy in britain goes further down. But we will only know for sure in two years. Anyway, I would have expected that there was a bigger rush up until the Brexit vote, when the British economy was very good and moving there seemed to be a safe bet (because it was in the EU and you could stay indefinitely).

The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up. Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).

>Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time

Are you putting money on that?

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Post by raverbashing »

stevekemp wrote: post #103
oblio wrote: post #35

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Why wouldn't they stay, legally or ilegally, in the equally rich Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria? All of which are closer to the origin countries than the UK. Or why wouldn't they go in the slightly-less-richer, but culturally closer Spain or Italy? Especially since the weather is much nicer over there :)

As a British guy in Finland I can say that the reason many people moved to the UK was because of the perception of easy work, easy integration, and good practices. Those things might exist in other countries, I don't know of them personally, but I do know that moving to Finland is non-trivial. The language is hard, and unless you speak it you've only got unskilled jobs to find - with high competition. Gaining residen…

Actually, customer facing unskilled jobs are harder to get while only speaking English.

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Post by smcl »

EasyTiger_ wrote: post #99
magic_beans wrote: post #94

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Honestly, you can't blame the BBC for that subheadline... blame the readership.

No, I'll blame the BBC thanks.

Precisely - part of the reason BBC news exists and gets special treatment is that it shouldn't have to worry about clickbaity headlines and listicles to grab eyeballs

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Post by ascorbic »

alecco wrote: post #9
barrkel wrote: post #3

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My perspective is a little bit different. If they want to kick me out, I'll go somewhere else. I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be treated differently owing to history. But if they want me to ask to stay, they can go fuck themselves.

> If they want to kick me out Did the article? This is about a cutoff date to stop a wave of last minute immigrants. Nothing about expelling current ones. Don't let clickbait headlines make you angry.

They probably won't be expelling anyone, but the UK government has explicitly said that they'll use the rights of EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining chip, so if I were an EU citizen in the UK I'd be worried.

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Post by phillc73 »

toyg wrote: post #31
yandie wrote: post #11

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> If you are an EU citizen living in UK, you should absolutely ask to exercise your rights TODAY; do not delay, do not trust news reports, it's just a bit of bureaucracy but could make a big difference in your future. Make sure you send documents as recorded delivery and track each and every date. Apparently my Dutch friend who has a PhD funded by the UK government can't apply for permanent residency because she does…

That's wrong, the 35k threshold is for non-EU people only. I dearly hope she wasn't willingly misinformed by civil servants.

And I am pretty sure it isn't 35k, more like £18,600 without children.

Nonetheless, any amount above £0 makes my life a misery.

I'm British living in another EU country, with my non-EU spouse and British son. Who knows how my situation will resolve itself. This article holds out some olive branch of the offer of EU citizenship for people in my situation.

However, let's play the hypothetical situation that I am forced to leave due to negotiation breakdowns or whatever. I return to the UK, right? Unfortunately, my wife can't join me until I already earn above about a £22k threshold (additional for child). It isn't that I don't believe I can earn that amount, it is the elapsed time and enforced separation. Maybe it takes me a couple of months to find a job, it will then probably take several months for my wife's Visa application to be processed (she's already randomly had one visitor visa application denied, which we appealed against and won, but it was a 12 month process). And what's her status in our current EU country of residence if I have returned to the UK?

It's all a big old mess for those of us exercising our EU treaty rights.

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Post by burkaman »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #18
burkaman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? What is misleading about this headline? It doesn't contain literally every detail, because yes you are supposed to actually read the article. As you mentioned, the important details are right there in the first couple paragraphs, not missing or buried near the end. How would you have phrased this headline?

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

I understand where you're coming from, but "the end of respectable journalism"? This is a slight misunderstanding of an accurate but not completely precise headline.

If she were going to kick EU citizens out, the headline would be "May to announce mass deportations" or something.

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