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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...

It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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> I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be treated differently owing to history Yes, I think you're allowed to stay.

Based on what exactly? If you have sources to cite there are many interested people. So far we've a general feeling of "people have been moving between these two countries freely since decades before the EU existed so they couldn't stop that... could they?" - could they? Then again, isn't the EU supposed to bargain as a block? Any firm comment on this by a party in a position to influence policy would be received wit…

Ireland is a special case; the Ireland Act 1949 provides that "Ireland is not a foreign country", and the Good Friday Agreement requires an open border between Eire and NI.

Like everything else, this is now subject to uncertainty. http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citize...

(The possibility of NI rejoining Éire has now moved from "unthinkable" to "maybe". If a border gets imposed as part of Brexit that moves to "likely")

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Because you're probably a high-paid professional (reasonable assumption for a HN user) and are not considering staying in the country illegally after you arrive.

Why wouldn't they stay, legally or ilegally, in the equally rich Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria? All of which are closer to the origin countries than the UK. Or why wouldn't they go in the slightly-less-richer, but culturally closer Spain or Italy? Especially since the weather is much nicer over there :)

As a British guy in Finland I can say that the reason many people moved to the UK was because of the perception of easy work, easy integration, and good practices.

Those things might exist in other countries, I don't know of them personally, but I do know that moving to Finland is non-trivial. The language is hard, and unless you speak it you've only got unskilled jobs to find - with high competition. Gaining residency pretty much necessitates having a job too, which makes it all a bit circular.

I'm settled here for the foreseeable future, although I have to wait another couple of years before I qualify for citizenship.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Both sides of this debate are equally guilty of accusing the others of astroturfing. To liberals, any pro-Trump poster must be a Russian operating out of a St. Petersburg fake news factory. To conservatives, any anti-Trump poster must be a paid protester on the payroll of George Soros. I feel it would make sense for HN to have a full ban on any accusations of astroturfing or paid trolling.

And yet you don't see any blatant pro-Brexit or pro-Trump stories here

Why do you think that is due to astroturfing?

Everyone is free to post stories from Breitbart, Daily Mail or Russia Today. I guess they just don't get enough upvotes.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

One could also foresee a rush out since the country is turning into a place many people would probably not want to live in. Seems naive to assume you won't be kicked out eventually.

I haven't heard any politician from either side of the debate calling for immigrants to be removed after brexit, in fact it has been quite the opposite.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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> If you are an EU citizen looking to move to the UK: just don't I call BS on that. UK is quite open to LEGAL worker immigration from anywhere around the world. What's the big deal? I worked in UK for years and I'm not EU. Many Americans, Asians, Australians, etc. go through these channels without issue. After a few years they give you residentship. And shortly after that they give you citizenship. It's crazy how thi…

Didn't the Conservatives campaign in the last election about bringing legal immigration numbers down to <100K/year?

Net migration, if you discount returning British citizens it currently sits at around 200,000 a year (500,000 gross), so it would be an approximate 20% reduction in non-British immigration.

Or a 30% increase in emigration, but I doubt they're aiming for that.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Because you're probably a high-paid professional (reasonable assumption for a HN user) and are not considering staying in the country illegally after you arrive.

Why wouldn't they stay, legally or ilegally, in the equally rich Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria? All of which are closer to the origin countries than the UK. Or why wouldn't they go in the slightly-less-richer, but culturally closer Spain or Italy? Especially since the weather is much nicer over there :)

English language, maybe? Obviously a lot of those other countries have very high numbers of English speakers, but most good jobs still require you to speak the native language.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

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Much as I didn't like the decision brexit is nothing like 30's Germany.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

Only if you don't understand the system. Merely arriving makes no difference; it's the application for permanent residence that's important.

We don't know that yet.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Because you're probably a high-paid professional (reasonable assumption for a HN user) and are not considering staying in the country illegally after you arrive.

Bulgarians have had all this time (10 years) to go live in the UK legally. Why would they suddenly rush to leave everything behind and go live there illegally? It doesn't make any sense.

You are absolutly right, and few days ago there a proof for your theory - more people are leaving now UK than comming to leave here
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