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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by alecco »

lopezyignacio wrote: post #50
nothrabannosir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

Also EU citizen living here for 2 years (so not entitled to the permanent residency). I own a UK company and pay my share of taxes. Still I'm scared I'm going to be asked to leave at some point. Also, if I go visit my family on the continent, am I going to be able to come back ?

Work Permit in UK is quite open for non-EU workers. Stop freaking out. Unless you are a waiter or dish washer.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by MLR »

barrkel wrote: post #3
toyg wrote: post #2

It makes sense, I don't think anyone could realistically expect anything different. Considering it's basically a starting negotiating position, it's actually pretty good from my perspective (EU national who has formally been granted permanent residency by exercising his treaty rights). Obviously the devil is in the details, i.e. what it will mean exactly "after the cutoff date": if one has lived in UK long enough to…

My perspective is a little bit different. If they want to kick me out, I'll go somewhere else. I am Irish; the probability is high that my nationality will be treated differently owing to history. But if they want me to ask to stay, they can go fuck themselves.

Irish citizens in the UK hold a more favourable status than EU citizens as is, the likelyhood of this changing is practically nil.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by Symbiote »

rodionos wrote: post #34

Is there a government resource supporting these statistics: > 3.6 million EU citizens who are already in Britain > 1.2 million British citizens living in other EU countries I like the Economist in this regard, they seem to always reference source data. It could be explained by the differences in editorial policies or the fact that the Economist is on a weekly release schedule, so their fact-checkers have more time to…

It would be somewhere in https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/announcements or https://www.ons.gov.uk/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/search?q=eu+citizen seems a good start.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by TorKlingberg »

As I read it, this means that EU nationals will be able to enter the UK up until it leaves the EU, but when it has left, those who entered after the cut-off date will not necessarily be allowed to stay.

It doesn't look too unreasonably, and probably doesn't violate EU rules by itself, but I wonder about a few things:

* How will it effect EU nationals getting for example a mortgage in the UK before the exit? Normally banks require a permanent right of residency and an EU passport is enough to prove it.

* How will EU nationals who entered before the cut-off date prove it to the government? Immigration applications can often be ridiculously cumbersome. Will someone who has lived in the UK for 20 years be expected to submit detailed documentation for every international trip in those 20 years?

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by uiri »

lopezyignacio wrote: post #50
nothrabannosir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I held my breath reading this headline. I was relieved to read alecco's comment (and the actual article). I think that's what he means: the headline sounds like she's going to kick EU citizens out. After all, the headline, as it stands, applies to me. Her actual words, very explicitly, do not. That is misleading.

Also EU citizen living here for 2 years (so not entitled to the permanent residency). I own a UK company and pay my share of taxes. Still I'm scared I'm going to be asked to leave at some point. Also, if I go visit my family on the continent, am I going to be able to come back ?

Most likely, the system of permanent residence status will remain in place for the next 5 years plus some buffer: https://www.gov.uk/eea-registration-certificate/permanent-re...

I agree that, if I were you, I'd be nervous about any trip abroad within the next 3 years.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by alecco »

acd wrote: post #46

This should cause inflation of prices as the price of food increase. This is due to it being more expensive to produce food in the UK versus importing it from for example Spain and the Netherlands. Thus the average UK consumer will be poorer. Not limited only products such as vegetables.

What are you talking aobut? EU protectionism raises food prices.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by alexbilbie »

struppi wrote: post #44
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

...and it's also fairly easy to forsee that this rush will not happen, if, during the negotiations, the economy in britain goes further down. But we will only know for sure in two years. Anyway, I would have expected that there was a bigger rush up until the Brexit vote, when the British economy was very good and moving there seemed to be a safe bet (because it was in the EU and you could stay indefinitely).

The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up.

Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by MLR »

kbart wrote: post #26
alecco wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they want to kick me out Did the article? This is about a cutoff date to stop a wave of last minute immigrants. Nothing about expelling current ones. Don't let clickbait headlines make you angry.

"Nothing about expelling current ones. " Don't be so sure about that: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-...

This case is completely unrelated to the rights of EU citizens to live and work in the UK.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by pjc50 »

alecco wrote: post #61
lopezyignacio wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also EU citizen living here for 2 years (so not entitled to the permanent residency). I own a UK company and pay my share of taxes. Still I'm scared I'm going to be asked to leave at some point. Also, if I go visit my family on the continent, am I going to be able to come back ?

Work Permit in UK is quite open for non-EU workers. Stop freaking out. Unless you are a waiter or dish washer.

Are you sure about that? Do you know what the requirements are?

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by pjc50 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #27
struppi wrote: post #12

OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...

It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

Only if you don't understand the system. Merely arriving makes no difference; it's the application for permanent residence that's important.
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