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Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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titraprutr wrote: post #37
Arnt wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen. They happened, can't tell how often, but he didn't want or intend that. I didn't have the impression that Dubya wanted to harass random foreigners either. Trump, OTOH, is the kind of person who wants to throw out all the Yemeni in case one of them is another Timothy McVeigh.

> he didn't want or intend that You can't really prove this. Something being said in the front of the camera with a fake smile on the face is one thing, documents being signed that are not released to the public is a different story.

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Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by gillianlish »

metasean wrote: post #40
DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? Lawyers and the immigration officials concluded otherwise. Your spreading of FUD here is not needed.

No need to be a Derp about it, curiousgal was asking a logical question. Yes, the answer was in the article, but it was toward the end. Since many of these days skim articles or read HN comments first or some combination _and_ getting paid to do something for others is a common, if not defining aspect of "work" [0], her question is logical. As for FUD spreading, before she even asked the question, she started by stat…

heres a logical question.

ISNT PUTTING SOMEONE IN A ROOM FOR TWELVE HOURS FOR NO FUCKING REASON A CRIME

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by trmsw »

masklinn wrote: post #28
d--b wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beware the translation in some places. Google translates: "Une policière engueule une femme dont le garçon de trois ans court dans tous les sens" into "A police officer beats a woman whose three-year-old runs in all directions". The actual translation is: "A female police officer shouts at a woman whose 3-year-old is running all over the place"

> The actual translation is: "A female police officer shouts at a woman whose 3-year-old is running all over the place" "Berates" feels much closer than "shouts at", "engueuler" is not just general shouting there's a strong component of scolding to it. Also "policewoman" if you want to carry gender across the translation, but I'd say "police officer" is just fine, french requires gendering, english does not.

I think "berate" is unnecessary: in the context the type of shouting is completely clear, and "engueuler" is used much more commonly than "berate" so IMO using it would be to change the tone without improving the meaning.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by Arnt »

lawless123 wrote: post #41
titraprutr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he didn't want or intend that You can't really prove this. Something being said in the front of the camera with a fake smile on the face is one thing, documents being signed that are not released to the public is a different story.

True ,but we sure as hell know Trump publicly endorses it. Obama wasn't a lightning rod for this. Trump has made himself one.

Right.

Any king can claim to be innocent when a bishop is killed in his realm, and may in theory be innocent. One that said "oh, won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest" before the bloodshed can't expect to be believed innocent, though.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by rwmj »

geggam wrote: post #5

How is it the same people working for one president less than 60 days later act so different ? or are they ?

I had "extra screening" at the US border in 2007 or 2008 (I forget exactly when it was), and it wasn't much fun back then.

I think the author of this article made the classic mistake of admitting he was being paid for work, which is forbidden with a regular US tourist visa. It turns out that he did have the right visa (or the type of work he was doing is permitted - it wasn't clear in the article), but as soon as you say that you're being paid, it sets off alarm bells.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by zouhair »

lamdauf wrote: post #18
smcl wrote: post #4

> A police officer beats a woman whose three-year-old runs in all directions Is anyone able to give a better translation of this bit? Looks like the original sentence was "Une policière engueule une femme dont le garçon de trois ans court dans tous les sens"

The original phrase is " Une policière engueule une femme dont le garçon de trois ans court dans tous les sens". in the context;I think a correct transalation is " the police-woman shouted at a lady because her three-year-old child was runing in all directions.

Which is not any better.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by angry_octet »

curiousgal wrote: post #19

IANAL but isn't getting paid for an intervention considered a job and thus requires a work visa?

It's a special type of payment, often called an honorarium, which is to defray the cost and inconvenience a visiting academic incurs in order to perform a voluntary service for their host institution (e.g. participating in a colloquium). The academic is already generally fully employed at their own institution. (N.B. TAMU chooses to call them speaker fees and travel reimbursements, which might be the cause of some of the drama though I doubt it.)

https://f2.washington.edu/fm/globalsupport/honorarium-paymen...

Note in particular that the VWB (Visa Waiver - Business) encompasses this type of payment.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by fowlerpower »

The article gives me anxiety. It gives me anxiety that people can be held at our borders for hours and sometimes days (in my country non the less). All because some junior border officer did not understand the visa type well enough. How can they not even apologize? How can they not even acknowledge these types of errors.

Will they do this to us when we travel abroad on a tourist visa?

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by joncrocks »

laurent123456 wrote: post #34
joncrocks wrote: post #15

I think the appropriate outcome depends on whether they were going to be paid by the US institution. If you're going to get paid, you need an appropriate visa. Unfortunately some institutions don't understand this/don't want to understand this/tell you "it's fine, we do this all the time." But if you say the wrong thing at the border, you'll be denied entry and it'll get noted down for the next time you try and enter…

Apparently not as the policeman told him > that the official who examined my file was > "inexperienced" and did not know that certain activities, > including those related to research and education, > enjoyed an exceptional regime and could well be carried > out with A simple tourist visa." From what he wrote at the end of the article it's not clear at all why they've decided to control him.

edited 'cos I was wrong.

Seems you can get limited payment called an honorarium.

There's some more details here: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/BusinessVisa%20Pu...

I've travelled to the US quite a few times on different types of visas (lived and worked there for a few years). It's important to know yourself what is and isn't allowed, as some people will try and tell you "things are fine, we've done it loads of times" when in fact they don't understand the restrictions properly, and it'll be recorded against you and not them when you get denied entry.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by jccc »

lawless123 wrote: post #41
titraprutr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he didn't want or intend that You can't really prove this. Something being said in the front of the camera with a fake smile on the face is one thing, documents being signed that are not released to the public is a different story.

True ,but we sure as hell know Trump publicly endorses it. Obama wasn't a lightning rod for this. Trump has made himself one.

And that's had a direct effect on the attitude and behavior of immigration goons:

"[...] the shift — and the new enthusiasm that has come with it — seems to have encouraged pro-Trump political comments and banter that struck the officials as brazen or gung-ho, like remarks about their jobs becoming 'fun.' Those who take less of a hard line on unauthorized immigrants feel silenced, the officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ice-immigrant-deportat...

https://twitter.com/JameelJaffer/status/835842617103503361

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