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Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by masklinn »

nom wrote: post #29
d--b wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beware the translation in some places. Google translates: "Une policière engueule une femme dont le garçon de trois ans court dans tous les sens" into "A police officer beats a woman whose three-year-old runs in all directions". The actual translation is: "A female police officer shouts at a woman whose 3-year-old is running all over the place"

Wow you are right. Given your example, Google Translate doesn't recognize the gender of the police officer at all. It didn't even get "sens" correct, it translated it to "means" instead of "direction" until I told it the correct translation.

> Given your example, Google Translate doesn't recognize the gender of the police officer at all.

Or it did and did not care, "police officer" is a perfectly valid translation for "policière", French is a highly gendered language, English significantly less so.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by peferron »

joncrocks wrote: post #15

I think the appropriate outcome depends on whether they were going to be paid by the US institution. If you're going to get paid, you need an appropriate visa. Unfortunately some institutions don't understand this/don't want to understand this/tell you "it's fine, we do this all the time." But if you say the wrong thing at the border, you'll be denied entry and it'll get noted down for the next time you try and enter…

Sure, but how does that apply to this article? He was going to get paid and had an appropriate visa.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

staticelf wrote: post #27

I am about to visit the US soon. I am planning not to bring my personal phone and computer. It feels like I am going to visit China, not the US. I would probably not personally pay for a trip to the US now.. I don't want to pay a lot of money in order to be rejected at the border.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit...

EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by laurent123456 »

joncrocks wrote: post #15

I think the appropriate outcome depends on whether they were going to be paid by the US institution. If you're going to get paid, you need an appropriate visa. Unfortunately some institutions don't understand this/don't want to understand this/tell you "it's fine, we do this all the time." But if you say the wrong thing at the border, you'll be denied entry and it'll get noted down for the next time you try and enter…

Apparently not as the policeman told him

    > that the official who examined my file was
    > "inexperienced" and did not know that certain activities, 
    > including those related to research and education, 
    > enjoyed an exceptional regime and could well be carried 
    > out with A simple tourist visa."
From what he wrote at the end of the article it's not clear at all why they've decided to control him.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by infodroid »

schtitt wrote: post #22
geggam wrote: post #5

How is it the same people working for one president less than 60 days later act so different ? or are they ?

No, they're not different. Every time I am visiting the states I have to go through the extra process of interviewing (due to things that happened a long time ago), and every time I am struck by how it seems like they're actively attempting to dehumanize the persons who are there. The border control is actually the #1 reason I am considering never visiting again. Though, as the original author, I love the US, so it's…

> Though, as the original author...

Do you mean to say that you are the French historian Henry Rousso?

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by lawless123 »

laurent123456 wrote: post #34
joncrocks wrote: post #15

I think the appropriate outcome depends on whether they were going to be paid by the US institution. If you're going to get paid, you need an appropriate visa. Unfortunately some institutions don't understand this/don't want to understand this/tell you "it's fine, we do this all the time." But if you say the wrong thing at the border, you'll be denied entry and it'll get noted down for the next time you try and enter…

Apparently not as the policeman told him > that the official who examined my file was > "inexperienced" and did not know that certain activities, > including those related to research and education, > enjoyed an exceptional regime and could well be carried > out with A simple tourist visa." From what he wrote at the end of the article it's not clear at all why they've decided to control him.

They probably needed him to make sure their "Random checks" looked random enough.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by titraprutr »

Arnt wrote: post #25
skocznymroczny wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably it's been like that always at the US border, it's just now it's popular to showcase such stories as an example of "look what Trump did to our country". I heard of horror stories at the US border way before Trump took office.

Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen. They happened, can't tell how often, but he didn't want or intend that. I didn't have the impression that Dubya wanted to harass random foreigners either. Trump, OTOH, is the kind of person who wants to throw out all the Yemeni in case one of them is another Timothy McVeigh.

> he didn't want or intend that

You can't really prove this. Something being said in the front of the camera with a fake smile on the face is one thing, documents being signed that are not released to the public is a different story.

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by lawless123 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
staticelf wrote: post #27

I am about to visit the US soon. I am planning not to bring my personal phone and computer. It feels like I am going to visit China, not the US. I would probably not personally pay for a trip to the US now.. I don't want to pay a lot of money in order to be rejected at the border.

this is worth reading then https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit... EDIT (what to do): https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/829855684636274688

>Carrying no devices

Is this article seriously suggesting i can't travel without a device or can't wipe before i go, because these CBP guys are so easily triggered?

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by lawless123 »

infodroid wrote: post #35
schtitt wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're not different. Every time I am visiting the states I have to go through the extra process of interviewing (due to things that happened a long time ago), and every time I am struck by how it seems like they're actively attempting to dehumanize the persons who are there. The border control is actually the #1 reason I am considering never visiting again. Though, as the original author, I love the US, so it's…

> Though, as the original author... Do you mean to say that you are the French historian Henry Rousso?

I think they mean "just like the original author"

Re: How a French scholar was treated at US airport

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Post by metasean »

DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #30
curiousgal wrote: post #19

IANAL but isn't getting paid for an intervention considered a job and thus requires a work visa?

Did you read the article? Lawyers and the immigration officials concluded otherwise. Your spreading of FUD here is not needed.

No need to be a Derp about it, curiousgal was asking a logical question.

Yes, the answer was in the article, but it was toward the end. Since many of these days skim articles or read HN comments first or some combination _and_ getting paid to do something for others is a common, if not defining aspect of "work" [0], her question is logical.

As for FUD spreading, before she even asked the question, she started by stating, "IANAL" which indicates anything said about the law should be taken with more than a bit of doubt.

So take a chill pill. Yes,it is important to answer the question to remove doubt or ambiguity, but there was no need to be rude or disrespectful or to berate her for asking a question!

[0] The societal definition of "work", not the physical sciences definition.

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