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How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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I don't like any compressed wood (engineered wood) furniture, it's got too many fillers and (toxic) adhesives and they don't have the same rigidity of solid wood.

When I moved house, the removalists (in Australia) specifically pointed out the "our guarantee doesn't apply to IKEA" clause in the contract. "It's basically compressed cardboard," they told me.

> "It's basically compressed cardboard," they told me.

Sometimes literally http://www.refinery29.com/2016/01/101948/ikea-lack-table

Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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> The Billy innovations are about working within the limits of production and logistics, finding tiny ways to shave more off the cost, all while producing something that looks inoffensive and does the job.

The perfect summary of Ikea's engineering.

I got into woodworking recently; designed and built a 50", full-back garden bench from scratch in redwood. The project gave me a more keen awareness of the wood that surrounds our lives. I've ruminated on everything from sustainability of wood to the pros/cons of engineered wood products like those used in most Ikea furniture.

When my wife and I bought a headboard for our bed, one of those cheap bookcase/headboard combos bought online for $150 shipped, I couldn't help myself from wondering whether this boxed slab of wood and glue was an engineering marvel, or an abomination. The odor, the comically insufficient assembly instructions, the chipped off veneer and color matching marker. Was it all worth the cost savings?

I once thought that engineered wood products like those used in these cheap flat pack were stronger than natural wood. A lot of that furniture felt lighter to me. In fact, engineered wood products _can_ be stronger, and get used in building architectures that would not be possible with natural wood. But the stuff used in cheap furniture is MDF and that weird, coarser particle board. My limited research showed MDF as being weaker than most natural softwoods, in terms of strength to density. The lightness of the furniture comes from simply designing the products to use less wood.

Ikea furniture, as this article discusses, is optimized. The least amount of substrate is used to achieve the goal. That's not a bad thing; it's a thing to be admired. But you could do the same thing with natural wood, and the end result would be lighter.

The odor, caused by binding resins used in the engineered wood, is also an indicator of off-gassing formaldehyde. I figured, the stuff being used couldn't be that bad or they wouldn't have been able to sell it for so long. The answers I found were unclear. Formaldehyde _is_ bad; it's a carcinogen, and as it off-gasses from these materials the concentration of formaldehyde in the air slowly rises throughout the enclosed space; throughout your house. The more formaldehyde containing products in your home, the higher the concentration. It's a potentially significant health hazard. There are alternative resins that don't contain formaldehyde, but they aren't commonly used.

The most important thing about this cheap furniture, I figured, is that it's good for the environment. The optimized design reduces the use of wood to a minimum, and the engineered wood can make optimal use of trees since it just needs chips or sawdust. I grew up in the 90s where it was common to joke how every piece of paper you wasted was killing a tree. The implication being that wood products are a scarce resource that we need to preserve and use as little of as possible. We all needed to be good caretakers of our planet. Recycle, cut down less trees, and boybands. It was the 90's.

As my ruminations stumbled over this mantra of the green movement it occurred to me that wood ... is a sustainable resource. We can always grow more trees, right? I see so much household wood being replaced by engineered wood and plastics. But plastics are non-renewable! We can't grow more oil. There's ultimately no consequence of "wasting" wood. Just throw more seeds on the ground and let the complex nano-machinery of life assemble a brand new piece. It costs nothing but time and land (which we have plenty of). The discarded piece of wood becomes food for the next.

Certainly wasting wood increases costs. Engineered wood is cheaper because it can use the table scraps of sawmills. But cost wasn't the concern in this trail of thought; it was the environment. From an environmental perspective, we should be using as much wood as we possibly can, and enact laws that require all wood products to be sourced from trees grown for that purpose. We can take advantage of this beautiful renewable resource and ensure an explosion in tree population. Our air will be fresher, more carbon will get locked back up in solid material, and the reduction in plastics consumption will dump less carbon into the air.

At the end of my adventure I decided ... this kind of furniture is not for me. Natural wood products are better for the environment, lighter, look better, last longer, and are less toxic. The only thing against them is cost. Whether cost matters or not is a different question entirely. For me, I'll sit on my redwood bench out in the sun and smile.

Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like any compressed wood (engineered wood) furniture, it's got too many fillers and (toxic) adhesives and they don't have the same rigidity of solid wood.

When I moved house, the removalists (in Australia) specifically pointed out the "our guarantee doesn't apply to IKEA" clause in the contract. "It's basically compressed cardboard," they told me.

Make sure the back is positioned correctly (seated within the recess, and with all corners at right angles), and use twice the number of nails Ikea suggests. This will help maintain rigidity during a move.

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That struck me too: Are there leading modern entrepreneurs who are as non-materialistic? I recall hearing of several in prior generations. (Also, sometimes those stories are merely marketing, and they have a personal chef and private jet too.)

The founder of Patagonia is a great example http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/19/patagonias-phil...

Recommended: http://www.patagonia.com/product/let-my-people-go-surfing-pa...

Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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I dislike IKEA furniture - It never seems to go well, and always in a different, hard-to-plan-for kind of way. Either the bed frame slats will crack at an odd place, or the bookshelf will bend under the weight of too many books, or perhaps a layer of plastic-ish(?) faux-wood will peel off revealing the flimsy glue pressed wood-ish material inside. I understand the appeal of well designed, flatpacked, self assembled f…

We've had mixed results: Bed - it was 200 or 300, lasted 10+ years. Veneer peeled off in 2 places (scraped it like crazy moving it 2x inc. up/down stairs, stored it for a year). Sold it in the end, crazy. "Cubes" Bookcase - had it for 6+ years, moving it 1x was enough to make it too wobbly for us but still were able to sell it. Tip: leave 1-2 cubes empty and arrange books by color, looks awesome. Med + small coffee t…

the confusingly named "Norden occasional table" (it's a sideboard, people!) is apparently discontinued, and I can't think why. in terms of quality and sheer utility at a low price it tops pretty much any piece of storage oriented furniture I've ever bought. completely transformed my kitchen, looks good, and has held up well.

you can see a picture here: https://www.decorist.com/finds/5895/norden-occasional-table/

Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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I have had exactly the opposite experience as yours. You describe every flat pack furniture brand except Ikea. The only thing Ikea doesn't do superbly (for the price) is padded furniture. Their chairs and couches are terrible, in my opinion. Their cabinets, though? Their desks? Great look, and reliable for years. I am proud of my Billy bookshelf and the books on it in the living room.

I think you're both a little bit correct. Ikea probably sells the best quality flat-pack furniture out there, but I think it's pretty fair to expect their stuff to fail in some way within 5 years of normal use. Keep in mind the failure may or may not be catastrophic, and the item may still be usable for some time. They're definitely a good value, but only if you're OK with eventually needing to buy replacements. Some…

> Lack coffee tables: utter trash, fall apart quickly

If you want something to last you aren't going to get it for $8 no matter where you buy it.

Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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I dislike IKEA furniture - It never seems to go well, and always in a different, hard-to-plan-for kind of way. Either the bed frame slats will crack at an odd place, or the bookshelf will bend under the weight of too many books, or perhaps a layer of plastic-ish(?) faux-wood will peel off revealing the flimsy glue pressed wood-ish material inside. I understand the appeal of well designed, flatpacked, self assembled f…

I have had exactly the opposite experience as yours. You describe every flat pack furniture brand except Ikea. The only thing Ikea doesn't do superbly (for the price) is padded furniture. Their chairs and couches are terrible, in my opinion. Their cabinets, though? Their desks? Great look, and reliable for years. I am proud of my Billy bookshelf and the books on it in the living room.

I will never buy IKEA ever again. Nothing but bad experiences for me in NZ, Aus, and Singapore. Maybe they send the crap down under.

The electric standing desks in Sweden are far superior quality to any IKEA futurnature I've ever seen down here.

Re: How Ikea's Billy bookcase took over the world

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Still looking for a board game friendly bookshelf from one of the major chains. Depth is the problem, need roughly 30cm of usable depth. I'm currently using IVAR but it's more of a temporary solution. I own about 4 Billy for books they are decent but not great. One thing in their favor is that you can easily add another one. I'd also like it if IKEA would report the usable depth of the shelves in addition to the total depth.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That struck me too: Are there leading modern entrepreneurs who are as non-materialistic? I recall hearing of several in prior generations. (Also, sometimes those stories are merely marketing, and they have a personal chef and private jet too.)

It's fairly well known that Warren Buffet still lives in the house he bought in the fifties before he got ultra wealthy, but I was watching a documentary a couple of weeks back where he was explaining that his choice of breakfast at the McDonald's drive-thru window is dictated by the market closing price the day before. That's hardcore... and a little eccentric probably. Found it: http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/bec…

That's not really that eccentric. If I lost a few million dollars on opening, I'd probably want hashbrowns with my mcmuffin.
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