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Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

#31

In HBO's Silicon Valley, Gilfoyle starts getting all kinds of gifts couriered to him from recruiters just so that they get noticed. Is there any truth to this?

You can get dinner with the recruiters after you are placed, or before if you go far enough in the interview stages.

And I've seen some people receive gifts around me from other companies (small things like chocolates). Nowhere like the SV show.

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recruiters don't get paid if you don't get hired. They are not incentivized to get you the highest salary, they're incentivized to get you hired .

The bigger the salary, the bigger their commission is. So, yes, they are incentivized by salary as well. Not the case for internal recruiters.

Yes, that's technically true:

You sign at 100k, they make 20% so: $20,000

You sign at 110k, they make 20% so: $22,000

No deal, they make 20% so: $0

Do you think they have much incentive to make that extra $2k, while introducing more risk, and not spending time on the other openings they're working?

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recruiters don't get paid if you don't get hired. They are not incentivized to get you the highest salary, they're incentivized to get you hired .

The bigger the salary, the bigger their commission is. So, yes, they are incentivized by salary as well. Not the case for internal recruiters.

If you haven't watched/read about the real estate agents' incentives from Freakonomics, this[1] video will shed some light. There are a lot of parallels with the recruiters.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jO_w6f8Ck

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger the salary, the bigger their commission is. So, yes, they are incentivized by salary as well. Not the case for internal recruiters.

Yes, that's technically true: You sign at 100k, they make 20% so: $20,000 You sign at 110k, they make 20% so: $22,000 No deal, they make 20% so: $0 Do you think they have much incentive to make that extra $2k, while introducing more risk, and not spending time on the other openings they're working?

Of course they do. If they can negotiate with the hiring manager to place you at the higher salary, and have a fairly good chance of doing so, then they will.

Why? Two reasons:

1. Because they are salespeople. In sales, you never leave money on the table if you can avoid it.

2. Good engineers are really hard to find, which is why the companies that use external recruiters do so in the first place.

Oh, and yes, external recruiters will negotiate salary on your behalf.

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

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post #4

First party recruiters are fine, if incompetent in technical matters. Third party recruiters are usually scummy salesmen types.

I've dealt with both nice and competent 3rd party recruiters and with terrible internal recruiters (Amazon...)

It's usually easy to tell when a 3rd party recruiter is wasting your time (sometimes they don't even read the first line of your LinkedIn profile summary). On the other hand, there isn't much you can do when an otherwise good company has a chaotic recruiting process.

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

#38

I think recruiters are great. I've been working with them for almost 20 years. As long as they are local recruiters working with local companies. I have 20 recruiters all from different companies in my contacts. - They have always asked me for permission before submitting me to a company. - My application never goes into a black hole like it would if I were applying for a company directly. I don't think I've ever bee…

>> My application never goes into a black hole like it would if I were applying for a company directly.

This. A recruiter is someone 'on the inside' fighting and pushing for you. It's a huge help if you don't have a referral inside the company or know other people that work there.

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

#39
I love using third party recruiters to negotiate compensation for me.

I like that they can simultaneously act as consulting firms and get me short term gigs on the side even though they just placed me at a company.

I like that I can get them paid and they can get me paid, by stretching compensation demands.

Fast interviews.

Re: Ask HN: Is there anything you like about recruiters?

#40

Completely opposite experience here. Nothing good ever came from the recruiters (unlike the direct contacts with the companies). Usually they are hiring for the most undesirable roles/ problematic companies, they misrepresent the roles to the candidates and the candidates to the companies. The most annoying thing is however when they cold email you saying "I have this great role for an awesome company". Without sayin…

That is a really good point a truly annoying experience and a very common occurrence. Very often I get messages that specify the requirements and some buzz words but no mention of company or product that the potential candidate would be working at. I'm wondering if it's a thought through technique as it almost seems like a bait just to get people on the phone.
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