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How to Be a Stoic

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Re: How to Be a Stoic

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Thanks for the thoughtful and respectful comments, I hope my answer manages to stay in that spirit, too. > I think the same is true for Christianity too Disagree, concerning the Abrahamic religions, as what is good is rarely original, and what is original is rarely good: 1. What is good (golden rule, some of the 10 commandments) is not very original. The golden rule has appeared in ancient Greece (Thales), China (Con…

With regards to one, just because it was not original does not discount its value. That only supports my point that it was an attempt to present a way to live - a failed attempt given hindsight. I never said it was original nor entirely good. That's why we can both recognise the good parts as generally good advice. 2. I'm not preaching. I was brought up Catholic and learned enough to reject it. Catholicism and the ac…

> I never said it was original nor entirely good.

True, you didn't, I had said it ("... there is still a lot of original wisdom and substance left"), to which you replied, that's why I focused in on it.

> I'm not preaching.

Fair enough, I try not to... :-)

> If I didn't know better, I'd mistake your German directness as rude and blunt.

Nailed it, thanks for the benefit of the doubt. Edited to add: This (mostly) works on HN, but lamentably not many other sites...

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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post #162

I can't recommend enough "A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy" by Irvine, William B. I am 2/3 into it, maybe one of the best philosophy book I've ever read.

Also read Happy by Derren Brown. It's brilliant in a very different way.

Funny & weird, I am also a big fan of Derren Brown shows, didn't know about his books. Going to buy it on Amazon right now.

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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I just want to throw out there that dietary restrictions are ultimately tribal. Kosher and halal laws are full of obscure and pointless restrictions (such as ritual slaughter and prohibition on eating foods prepared under an idol) that have nothing to do with health, but everything to do with establishing who is "us" and who is "them".

Interesting. I didn't know that. I connected trichinosis, where symptoms are flu-like for the first few days before a fortnight to 8 weeks of symptom-free incubation as it works into the muscle stage, with the fact that germ theory wasn't understood back then. The second stage of trichinosis would look quite out of the blue without the foundation of understanding behind it. Almost as if by an act of god, which may ha…

You're not wrong, but the pork is only a small part of dietary laws. Additionally, you can eat other animals that might be dangerous (birds, for instance, but not birds of prey). And restrictions like "only cloven hoofed animals that chew their cud" are just "let's make this obscure enough to prove you really care."

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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post #171

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With regards to one, just because it was not original does not discount its value. That only supports my point that it was an attempt to present a way to live - a failed attempt given hindsight. I never said it was original nor entirely good. That's why we can both recognise the good parts as generally good advice. 2. I'm not preaching. I was brought up Catholic and learned enough to reject it. Catholicism and the ac…

> I never said it was original nor entirely good. True, you didn't, I had said it ("... there is still a lot of original wisdom and substance left"), to which you replied, that's why I focused in on it. > I'm not preaching. Fair enough, I try not to... :-) > If I didn't know better, I'd mistake your German directness as rude and blunt. Nailed it, thanks for the benefit of the doubt. Edited to add: This (mostly) works…

Wow, you're right. Sorry about that. Yeah, clearly not original. I do agree.

I'm British - I will apologise if you bump into me.

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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post #107

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Death is absolutely the most natural thing in the world. While it's viewed positively in some situations no culture views it as a universally good thing. Thus when people talk about natural as good they are simply they are using it as a fallacy to support their argument not some guiding life principle. Also, saying everything must live according to nature is a tautology that disproves nothing.

> While it's viewed positively in some situations no culture views it as a universally good thing. Well, we're talking about the natural way of living -- and death is a corner case, as it's not about living, but about the end to life. Still, even with that, and even with all the grievance about the death of those we know and ourselves, death is seen as an essential part of the cycle of life in almost all cultures (an…

The unborn don't complain about not being concived.

However, while you tied yourself in a not trying to justify some death I already said some deaths are viewed as a good thing. But, for death to be good then all death including preteen cancer patients must be good, or your not saying death is good your saying something related to death is good.

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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post #157

I had read a book by Epictetus some years ago. Liked it. Forget the book name now. It was about living simply, not getting overly affected (mentally or emotionally) by circumstances or things that happen to you, and a lot more stuff along those lines, and other things too. Basically Stoicism, I suppose, though I've not looked up the term in detail. I also like this quote by him which I read long ago: "Practice yourse…

Not about stoicism, but you might also enjoy

"The Tao is Silent" by Raymond Smullyan

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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post #176

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> While it's viewed positively in some situations no culture views it as a universally good thing. Well, we're talking about the natural way of living -- and death is a corner case, as it's not about living, but about the end to life. Still, even with that, and even with all the grievance about the death of those we know and ourselves, death is seen as an essential part of the cycle of life in almost all cultures (an…

The unborn don't complain about not being concived. However, while you tied yourself in a not trying to justify some death I already said some deaths are viewed as a good thing. But, for death to be good then all death including preteen cancer patients must be good, or your not saying death is good your saying something related to death is good.

>The unborn don't complain about not being concived

No, but any concept of good or bad presupposes existence.

>However, while you tied yourself in a not trying to justify some death I already said some deaths are viewed as a good thing. But, for death to be good then all death including preteen cancer patients must be good, or your not saying death is good your saying something related to death is good.

For evolution, all kinds of deaths are a driving factor. And without evolution, we wouldn't be here. So?

Re: How to Be a Stoic

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Interesting. I didn't know that. I connected trichinosis, where symptoms are flu-like for the first few days before a fortnight to 8 weeks of symptom-free incubation as it works into the muscle stage, with the fact that germ theory wasn't understood back then. The second stage of trichinosis would look quite out of the blue without the foundation of understanding behind it. Almost as if by an act of god, which may ha…

You're not wrong, but the pork is only a small part of dietary laws. Additionally, you can eat other animals that might be dangerous (birds, for instance, but not birds of prey). And restrictions like "only cloven hoofed animals that chew their cud" are just "let's make this obscure enough to prove you really care."

I guess you're right.

It'd be interesting to see if those laws developed gradually over time or was by total decree. Perhaps some of the rules are merely incorrect generalisations / reasoning by induction.

Thanks for the info - I've always wondered why. It's quite hard to find the why when learning about these things.

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