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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#151

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Depends on if they start excluding organizations and lining up softballs from cranks.

yes but all Presidents do this, including Obama

Please name a news organization that was allowed to attend press conferences by Obama, then later banned because he didn't like what they had to say.

edit: Since you won't be able to find one by Obama, how about any president in the last 50 years?

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#152

Wow, the downvotes are rolling in.

Yes, and I think this illustrates why the political ban on HN should be re-instituted. Downvotes without explanation are emotional, and do nothing to improve quality of conversation.

God forbid one doesn't immediately leap up and denounce $POLITICIAN in the impromptu Two Minutes' Hate.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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post #114

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Bullshit. Obama was a presidential candidate when this took place, not even the president. You're making this into a partisan issue; not the others upthread of you.

10/15/09 >The administration has taken increasing steps in recent weeks and months to isolate the TV network, with some Capitol Hill veterans recalling no such similar steps by any president since Richard Nixon’s retaliation against The New York Times and The Washington Post during Watergate. >“The point is this, and it really needs to be made: Fox is not just another television network,” said Senate Democratic Whip…

FTA:

"White House press secretary Robert Gibbs still calls on Fox News reporter Major Garrett at press briefings"

...because the reporter was in the press briefing.

The journalists we're discussing now could not have been called on, as they were denied access.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#154

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Depends on if they start excluding organizations and lining up softballs from cranks.

This is exactly the strategy the WH is starting to employ. Look at Russian tactics against the press in 2006-2007 and you can predict the WH next move. They are stealing from their playbook. Revoke. Replace. Erode.

I hear there are two new administration approved newspapers: The Truth and The News. (Известия)

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#155

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

> How does this even help at all?

It's basically (when run the traditional way) a means for the press corps to apply pressure, if an issue is either emergent or common, a substantive question is likely to be asked and answered on it, and followup can occur on other forums, which are less public and provide less pressure on their own, but far more fertile when the issued been raised based on the public questions and responses (or lack of response) and stories based on that are out or imminent.

OTOH, if you bar outlets that tend to ask bothersome questions from the briefing in favor of friendly outlets, that breaks down.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#156
post #20

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You're right, the press briefings are absolutely useless. That said, the message sent by this is not a good one.

No, it isn't a good message at all. In fact, I'd say it's downright ominous. FCC is in the middle of legalizing regional monopolies, DEA is busy banning Kratom in the middle of the worst opiate crisis in decades, and the White House is barring media outlets from press briefings. it doesn't even sound like I'm talking about America, right? something is very, very wrong.

> FCC is in the middle of legalizing regional monopolies, DEA is busy banning Kratom in the middle of the worst opiate crisis in decades, and the White House is barring media outlets from press briefings.

Actually everything except the press ban sounds pretty much like the American I can remember since my teenage years. What do you think happened during the crack epidemic? The rules to prevent these large media monopolies have been eroding since the 90s.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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post #102

Maybe this will send a message to said media outlets to stop making crap up and traffic in real issues with some impartial professional journalism that used to occur in this country.

It is absolutely not the place of the president to "send a message" to the press.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#158
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Is there a historic precedent for this?

The Obama administration attempted to freeze out Fox News, although it wasn't so explicit. To the credit of the rest of the press, they revolted enough that they backed down.

Not even close to the same thing. Not even in the same ball park.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#159
There was a time not so long ago when part of the argument for why we were better than the Russians was that we had a free press and they didn't.

You might still be able to see Russia from parts of the U.S., but it's getting harder and harder to see the moral high ground from here.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

#160

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> Obama did the same thing FYA: > Barack Obama's campaign has booted from its airplane three reporters who work for newspapers that have endorsed John McCain. > The campaign says that a limited number of seats forced it to make the tough decision of which journalists would be permitted to follow the Democratic presidential candidate in the last four days of the campaign, but the papers are calling foul, claiming they…

How about these then: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/10/10/cpj-report-on-... Obama vs. Free Press: White House Claims Ban on News Photographers Actually a ‘Win’ for Transparency

Your link doesn't match your title, so what's up with that? But in any case, wasn't that wrong too—the thing you linked to about leakers and whistleblowers? I don't think I understand what you mean with how about these then. (Unless you genuinely do mean it as whataboutism, in which case it doesn't seem to me like a valid point.)
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